[Noisebridge-discuss] Problem: people seeing NB as a backup shelter

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Sat May 10 00:28:39 UTC 2014

I'm just reiterating my own stances said elsewhere.

Basically, I'm a proponent of Approach #3.

Important points:

* the front door key is not a form of security; it's a meme promoting

* changing the way the front door operates requires the use of social
capital w/ the landlord and tenants.  Right now the landlord is
disturbed by the Electrical Situation -- not a good time to bother him
about other things.

* installing RFID at the top door seems like the smartest addition of
security in terms of workingness (keyfobs are less easily duplicable
than key codes and just as revokable) and in terms of the work
involved (not removing anything from the front door, just installing
something new).

* yes, this is still basically security theater -- unless we also
restrict access via the elevator.


On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
> We have been discussing this for a few hours on Slack and #noisebridge and
> have come up with a few solutions. I thought I'd share a few ideas that have
> been thrown around so far.
> Here's the current system, for those watching from home. At all hours of the
> day:
> - Someone can use a key to get into the building and space.
> - Someone can use a keycode to get into the building and space.
> - Someone can buzz the intercom and be allowed in by someone inside who has
> a keycode. (or they can walk downstairs)
> And now, for some new ideas...
> Idea #1: Move the keypad from the gate to the door. Keypad only active
> during newly instilled associate/regular members hours. Physical key, or
> someone buzzing you in, required to enter the building.
> Benefits:
> - Robotically enforced "members-only" hours, instead of human-enforced like
> in the past
> - Semblance of 2-factor auth, if you ignore the ubiquity of keys and
> keycodes
> Idea #2: idea #1, plus replacing gate lock with RFID sensor.
> Additional benefits:
> - RFID fob can be revoked if shared, while key cannot (or it's much harder
> to do so).
> Idea #3: keep lock/keypad as-is, install members-hours-only RFID sensor at
> door.
> Additional benefits:
> - No need to change existing setup.
> - RFID sensor is less likely to be tampered with.
> In all three cases, it will be less easy (but nothing is impossible) for a
> random person looking for a way to abuse the space to find their way inside.
> Of course, much like how things are now, there's a significant amount of
> security theater that goes into these "solutions." There is no silver
> bullet.
> - In all forms, someone can still shadow someone else being let in.
> - With idea #2, replacing the lock with an RFID sensor could inconvenience
> other tenants, and RFID sensor could be subject to on-the-street vandalism.
> - In the past, people have complained about their access/whereabouts being
> tracked by being tied to an RFID fob.
> - Anyone could use the elevator to get past any form of authentication at
> the door.
> -- The elevator is either off-limits, cost-prohibitive, or both to add an
> additional keypad or sensor to.
> Either way, this is what we've been discussing. If you didn't read the
> previous paragraph, I said that this is all ultimately in the name of
> security theater. But I think they're all improvements on what we have now.
> If you're interested in discussing these (beyond the discussions we've
> already been having on this list, on Slack, on Freenode, and now on this
> Etherpad I made the mistake of creating), please consider coming to a
> meeting of the Security Working Group. I'll defer to Naomi or someone in
> #security-wg on Slack for details about when that will happen.
> If you haven't read the antepenultimate paragraph or the one prior to it,
> this is all in the name of security theater. Please do not complain about
> holes in any of these systems that already exist within our current one.
> Thanks again!
> Jeffrey
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 4:01 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Ya gotta love the "Let's somebody else do it." Classic.
>> Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> This thread is taking a worrying turn toward "wishful thinking" and away
>> from "doing".
>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Let's do that.  Who's around who likes installing keypads?
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