[Noisebridge-discuss] that's all folks

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Wed May 14 16:14:53 UTC 2014


I don't think "less passion" OR "more money" apply to Noisebridge right now.

It's interesting watching people theorize about what's going on within
the group based on what they read on the mailing list or maybe the odd
drop-in from time to time.

What I observe is that there's a small but growing group of very
passionate folks who are trying to make an honest go at understanding
all of the (rather difficult) constraints of running an open-access
hackerspace in a busy eclectic cultural center like the Mission, in
the face of huge wealth and class disparities.

Perhaps others would say "we've been through all this before."
Perhaps the answer is, "we have to keep going through this."

--Naomi


On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 8:12 AM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
> Wow this is so dramatic. I feel there is a natural change from the initial
> optimism at the start of a hackerspace. Infighting and issues and lack of
> enthusiasm in membership naturally follows
>
> Re: the economy - it's been booming around noisebridge in SF.  Most members
> are working in tech so since the crash we have been doing pretty well
> financially ., maybe more money less passion and more problems ?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 13, 2014, at 1:39 PM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I personally believe the space began to seriously unravel upon the occasion
> of the economic unraveling of the entire world, aka the biggest economic
> crash in living memory, which epically gutted marginal and poor communities,
> followed by a huge lopsided and region-specific economic boom - which
> created an epicenter for monumental wealth disparity and growing social
> discord.
>
> I mean, it's fun to point fingers at each other's ideas or efforts as Having
> Ruined Noisebridge, but I think acknowledging that the larger social picture
> has an effect on us might alleviate the circle of It-Was-Better-When and
> open up some space for good-spirited idea-sharing, and learning from each
> other's differing perspectives.
>
> Call me crazy.
>
> R.
>
> On May 13, 2014 12:46 PM, "Naomi Most" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Your posts aren't being moderated...
>>
>> > I'm disappointed that people didn't want to work to find creative
>> > solutions to try and preserve them.
>>
>> Some of us are...
>>
>> > I truly believe that the space began to seriously unravel when the
>> > community erected associate membership rules, access policies and
>> > bureaucratic harassment doctrines as a substitute for true excellence.
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 13, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The jabber is no longer entertaining and it seems like my posts are
>> > being
>> > moderated for some reason so I've finally decided to unsubscribe from
>> > this
>> > list. The signal to noise ratio on here is dismal and it's not worth
>> > wading
>> > through all the petty personal drama to find the occasional gem.
>> >
>> > I wanted to be more involved with noisebridge and help the space thrive
>> > but
>> > it was almost impossible to find support or make genuine connections
>> > with
>> > people at the space. Perhaps I could have tried harder, but the snarky
>> > attitudes and constant bickering put a damper on my motivation.
>> >
>> > Hackerspaces are so 2010 anyway. I don't need a static point of
>> > reference to
>> > work with a group of bright, creative individuals or learn new things.
>> > There
>> > are many places for people to gather that provide more appropriate
>> > resources
>> > for folks depending on the nature of their work.
>> >
>> > Not sure if this is a rage quit or long time coming. I'll always miss
>> > the
>> > romantic ideals of noisebridge and I'm disappointed that people didn't
>> > want
>> > to work to find creative solutions to try and preserve them. I truly
>> > believe
>> > that the space began to seriously unravel when the community erected
>> > associate membership rules, access policies and bureaucratic harassment
>> > doctrines as a substitute for true excellence.
>> >
>> > I wish noisebridge all the best and hope someday to be eating these
>> > words,
>> > d.
>> >
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