[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge, and a possible future 1-2 years out

Kevin bfb at riseup.net
Thu May 15 21:33:00 UTC 2014


Thank you for putting this out Praveen. I will dream of Tsuki no Me Keikaku style mind control rays being emitted from a collectively owned and maintained glass, pyramidal sky scraper in downtown SF. Noisebridge 2.0?

The efforts and ideals of the Omni group are inspiring. It would be great to see such efforts replicated all over. 

The housing Coop I lived in Madison served basically as a land trust for 11 buildings around the city. The houses are member owned and maintained with the great help of 3 staff. Check out Madison Community Cooperatives as a semi-functional model of consensus decision making that includes 250 or so people taking collective ownership of millions of dollars of property.

-Kevin

On May 15, 2014 1:31:19 PM PDT, Hol Gaskill <hol at gaskill.com> wrote:
> it may be a little early to say the Omni will be a success, but I
> think the quote "those who believe it cannot be done should not
> interrupt those who are doing it" applies if you have nothing
> constructive to offer.
> 
> we have been watching and learning in detail about mistakes made in
> the past, and we hope to be around long enough to make wide swathes of
> new mistakes that others can learn from, and so on, and so forth.  in
> 10 years of taking part in cooperative and collective endeavors, i've
> heard previous failures used as excuses never to try again, and have
> seen plenty of old ideas tried in new ways with new people become
> resounding successes.  i'd take praveen's advice on getting that
> massage.  i remember building a new retaining wall for some plants at
> my old co-op when the guy who coordinated grounds said nothing would
> ever grow there so i shouldn't waste my time, but a few bricks and
> about half a yard of soil later, and with an alternate dumping spot
> for dirty mop water created, the garden flourished.
> 
> cheers,
> hol
> 
> on May 15, 2014, openfly <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd> wrote:
> >>I'd just like to be the first one to predict that this entire
> fiasco>will end in disaster and tears. And there will be plenty of
> blame all>over, but none of the people involved will ever break from
> their belief>that NEXT TIME they will get it right. And there will
> never be a day>that they ever get it right.>>Also, the difference in
> real estate costs between oakland and sf are >logarythmic.>>But yeah.
> This is such a horrifically bad idea.>>"hacker spa / massage
> collective".>>>Christ. If I didn't know Praveen was a nutter I'd think
> this was a>hilarious parody of the sort of jokers that destroyed
> noisebridge.>>-openfly>>On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:31:30PM -0700,
> Praveen Sinha wrote:>> Hello Noisebridge,>> >> Much love from Oakland,
> where I am currently hanging out with the fine>> folks from the
> Sudoroom Collective.>> >> I've mentioned before how I think it would
> be neat to have noisebridge at>> 50,000 people, complete with people
> powered consensus. I've also mentioned>> the possibiliti
> es of leveraging land trusts in the bay area to make buying>> out
> whole buildings a possibility.>> >> Right now, sudoroom hackerspace
> and their sister space Bay Area Public>> School are planning a move
> into the Omni -- a 3 story building in the>> Temescal district of
> Oakland. They are planning a massive move in with a>> bunch of open
> community collectives including a hacker spa/massage>> collective, an
> anarchist coffee / bookstore worker owned collective, food>> not bombs
> using the industrial sized kitchen downstairs, a feminist dancer>>
> collective, a biohacking space called Counter Culture Labs, and a
> bunch>> more projects -- all largely collectively driven. You can find
> out more on>> their wiki at http://wiki.omni-oakland.org - the goal is
> to eventually buy>> the building and put it into a community land
> trust.>> >> Why don't we have this in San Francisco? I'm putting this
> meme out there>> -- we have enough energy and projects in our
> collective visions where we>> could really make
> something world changing. Imagine a giant hackerspace>> combined with
> kitchen incubators and sensory deprivation tanks. We could>> design
> around the current kitchen conflicts from the ground up and we could>>
> be an instigator for lulz and counter culture on a mass scale in San>>
> Francisco. I suggest that we think about the Transamerica pyramid as
> a>> possible base of operations. We can take over the pyramid and
> project our>> mind control rays throughout the bay area from the
> top.>> >> Planting the seeds!!!!>> >> Love,>> Praveen>>>
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