[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at sunrise

Patrick O'Doherty p at trickod.com
Thu Apr 30 20:57:24 UTC 2015


While it's not a deliberate feature per-se per se I like the idea of
needing to involve someone else with you being a fulltime user.

If anyone who's "anonymous" can self-promote themselves to fulltime
users then there's little point in any of this.

Maybe we could borrow the same mechanic of sponsors for going from
anonymous => fulltime, with 2 fulltime sponsors or 1 member sponsor?

I'm also in favour of earlier suggestions that the sunrise opening hour
not apply to anonymous users. I'm wary of giving people easy access to
the space when there's unlikely to be others around, and I like the
pattern that we have currently where they're easy to give out without
much consequence.

</my-two-cents>

p

On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 01:46:16PM -0700, kjs wrote:
> In this case, I would like to improve the interface for adding fulltimeusers. Am I correct that currently one must edit a text file on Earl's raspPie to assign a key fulltimeuser permissions?
>
> Also,  is there somewhere between sunrise and 11:00 that y'all are comfortable with? Sunrise+2hr? I feel most anon users are good users and key expiry will filter a majority of the bad users.
>
> -Kevin
>
> On April 30, 2015 2:24:46 AM PDT, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >+1 to what Henner suggested:  'fulltimeusers' get extended from sunrise
> >to start at sunrise.
> >
> >Best,
> >Mitch.
> >
> >
> >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:13:35 -0700
> >From: h.zeller at acm.org
> >To: bfb at riseup.net
> >CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at
> >sunrise
> >
> >On 29 April 2015 at 20:17,  <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> >At the last several meetings there has been lively discussion to bump
> >up our opening time from 11:00 to sunrise. Specifically, Earl, our
> >gatekeeper, is configured for three user types.
> >
> >
> >
> >Earl currently opens when an RFID key is scanned for:
> >
> >
> >
> >anonymous users from 11:00 - 22:00
> >
> >deanonymized users from 7:00 - 23:59
> >
> >root users with 24 hour access
> >
> >the second group is actually 'fulltimeusers', which is like the other
> >users as well and 'could' be anonymous, but in practice isn't (but
> >should probably be a requirement).
> >
> >
> >The proposal is to change this to:
> >
> >
> >
> >anonymous users from sunrise - 22:00
> >
> >deanonymized users form sunrise - 23:59
> >
> >root users with 24 hour access
> >
> >I would _not_ put anonymous users in the sunrise category. We give out
> >tokens pretty freely these days, and I would like to continue this
> >welcoming gesture. However, if this brings in the burden to really,
> >really be sure that this is a person I can 100% trust, then giving out
> >tokens will be slowed down; which is not what we want. Someone coming
> >in in early hours should be explicitly put into that category.
> >So I would like to have people who can access the space in the early
> >hours to be known and explicitly put in the 'fulltimeuser' category.
> >
> >But I am (personally) ok with having 'fulltimeuser' extended in the
> >morning to sunrise (and would slightly endorse it).
> >-h
> >
> >
> >To accomplish this we use the https://github.com/cpucycle/astrotime
> >library. The code is in place, perhaps ready to deploy.
> >
> >
> >
> >How do others feel about this change? If you're curious, have a look at
> >meeting discussions.
> >
> >
> >
> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_07
> >
> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_21
> >
> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_28
> >
> >
> >
> >Some salient points for me include:
> >
> >
> >
> >Early birds have described friction with the 11:00 opening hour
> >
> >Noisebridge is lonely when empty
> >
> >Noisebridge prospers when used, not abused
> >
> >Early birds want to hack between sunrise and 11:00 at Noisebridge
> >
> >Updating RFID keys with contact information requires editing a text
> >file (not currently supported via the touchpad interface)
> >
> >Decoupling Noisebridge from an arbitrary and obsolete governmental
> >definition, the PDT/PST flux, is nice
> >
> >Sunrise is beautiful
> >
> >If the change is not working out, we can always roll back
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks much for reading,
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >
> >
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