[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at sunrise

Henner Zeller h.zeller at acm.org
Thu Apr 30 21:03:22 UTC 2015


On 30 April 2015 at 13:46, kjs <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:

> In this case, I would like to improve the interface for adding
> fulltimeusers. Am I correct that currently one must edit a text file on
> Earl's raspPie to assign a key fulltimeuser permissions?
>

yes, it is a bit awkward. We should have more menu-options in the LCD.
However, it would probably not make much difference as we anyway would have
to edit the name and contact of a person with a fulltimeuser access. It is
mostly about implementation, so great if you would  like to work on it.

Current discussion items are ranging from a terminal based curses thing via
some ssh connection (probably too much effort) to a little web interface. I
like the web interface idea, but we need to have some interaction with the
reader to authenticate people doing things on the web interface for
instance. Talk to me as I have some implementation ideas.

The naming of these groups is a bit misleading. In general these are just
users of different levels of observed 'responsibleness'. 'users' are the
ones where we don't know yet. 'fulltimeusers' are the ones that seem to be
responsible enough to be opening the space in the morning and making sure
to take care of giving people a tour and stuff. And 'members' are people
that consistently showed responsible behavior and also can give out new
tokens.

Also,  is there somewhere between sunrise and 11:00 that y'all are
> comfortable with? Sunrise+2hr? I feel most anon users are good users and
> key expiry will filter a majority of the bad users.
>

This can be discussed and could be a compromise. In summer, that would be
around 7:30am so a tad early; in winter it could be a tad late.

But remember,we have about 150 users now, most of them anonymous. Right
now, the practice is to give out tokens realtively freely, but I don't know
if I'd like all of these to be in there at dawn...
However, I am happy to do some experiments.

-h


> -Kevin
>
> On April 30, 2015 2:24:46 AM PDT, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >+1 to what Henner suggested:  'fulltimeusers' get extended from sunrise
> >to start at sunrise.
> >
> >Best,
> >Mitch.
> >
> >
> >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:13:35 -0700
> >From: h.zeller at acm.org
> >To: bfb at riseup.net
> >CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> >Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at
> >sunrise
> >
> >On 29 April 2015 at 20:17,  <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> >Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> >At the last several meetings there has been lively discussion to bump
> >up our opening time from 11:00 to sunrise. Specifically, Earl, our
> >gatekeeper, is configured for three user types.
> >
> >
> >
> >Earl currently opens when an RFID key is scanned for:
> >
> >
> >
> >anonymous users from 11:00 - 22:00
> >
> >deanonymized users from 7:00 - 23:59
> >
> >root users with 24 hour access
> >
> >the second group is actually 'fulltimeusers', which is like the other
> >users as well and 'could' be anonymous, but in practice isn't (but
> >should probably be a requirement).
> >
> >
> >The proposal is to change this to:
> >
> >
> >
> >anonymous users from sunrise - 22:00
> >
> >deanonymized users form sunrise - 23:59
> >
> >root users with 24 hour access
> >
> >I would _not_ put anonymous users in the sunrise category. We give out
> >tokens pretty freely these days, and I would like to continue this
> >welcoming gesture. However, if this brings in the burden to really,
> >really be sure that this is a person I can 100% trust, then giving out
> >tokens will be slowed down; which is not what we want. Someone coming
> >in in early hours should be explicitly put into that category.
> >So I would like to have people who can access the space in the early
> >hours to be known and explicitly put in the 'fulltimeuser' category.
> >
> >But I am (personally) ok with having 'fulltimeuser' extended in the
> >morning to sunrise (and would slightly endorse it).
> >-h
> >
> >
> >To accomplish this we use the https://github.com/cpucycle/astrotime
> >library. The code is in place, perhaps ready to deploy.
> >
> >
> >
> >How do others feel about this change? If you're curious, have a look at
> >meeting discussions.
> >
> >
> >
> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_07
> >
> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_21
> >
> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_28
> >
> >
> >
> >Some salient points for me include:
> >
> >
> >
> >Early birds have described friction with the 11:00 opening hour
> >
> >Noisebridge is lonely when empty
> >
> >Noisebridge prospers when used, not abused
> >
> >Early birds want to hack between sunrise and 11:00 at Noisebridge
> >
> >Updating RFID keys with contact information requires editing a text
> >file (not currently supported via the touchpad interface)
> >
> >Decoupling Noisebridge from an arbitrary and obsolete governmental
> >definition, the PDT/PST flux, is nice
> >
> >Sunrise is beautiful
> >
> >If the change is not working out, we can always roll back
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks much for reading,
> >
> >Kevin
> >
> >
> >
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