[Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at sunrise

kjs bfb at riseup.net
Thu Apr 30 21:19:55 UTC 2015


Thanks for this Henner. I would like to hear your web interface implementation ideas. Perhaps we can meet sometime early next week at Noisebridge?

Re Harry: I do not consider folks with 24hr access to be a strict subset of Noisebridge Members. In practice, several people who are not official Members have 24hr access. Access control is probably an NP hard problem in a non-hirarchical space. We can only hope to approximate a good solution with some heuristics.

-Kevin


On April 30, 2015 2:03:22 PM PDT, Henner Zeller <h.zeller at acm.org> wrote:
>On 30 April 2015 at 13:46, kjs <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
>
>> In this case, I would like to improve the interface for adding
>> fulltimeusers. Am I correct that currently one must edit a text file
>on
>> Earl's raspPie to assign a key fulltimeuser permissions?
>>
>
>yes, it is a bit awkward. We should have more menu-options in the LCD.
>However, it would probably not make much difference as we anyway would
>have
>to edit the name and contact of a person with a fulltimeuser access. It
>is
>mostly about implementation, so great if you would  like to work on it.
>
>Current discussion items are ranging from a terminal based curses thing
>via
>some ssh connection (probably too much effort) to a little web
>interface. I
>like the web interface idea, but we need to have some interaction with
>the
>reader to authenticate people doing things on the web interface for
>instance. Talk to me as I have some implementation ideas.
>
>The naming of these groups is a bit misleading. In general these are
>just
>users of different levels of observed 'responsibleness'. 'users' are
>the
>ones where we don't know yet. 'fulltimeusers' are the ones that seem to
>be
>responsible enough to be opening the space in the morning and making
>sure
>to take care of giving people a tour and stuff. And 'members' are
>people
>that consistently showed responsible behavior and also can give out new
>tokens.
>
>Also,  is there somewhere between sunrise and 11:00 that y'all are
>> comfortable with? Sunrise+2hr? I feel most anon users are good users
>and
>> key expiry will filter a majority of the bad users.
>>
>
>This can be discussed and could be a compromise. In summer, that would
>be
>around 7:30am so a tad early; in winter it could be a tad late.
>
>But remember,we have about 150 users now, most of them anonymous. Right
>now, the practice is to give out tokens realtively freely, but I don't
>know
>if I'd like all of these to be in there at dawn...
>However, I am happy to do some experiments.
>
>-h
>
>
>> -Kevin
>>
>> On April 30, 2015 2:24:46 AM PDT, Mitch Altman
><maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >+1 to what Henner suggested:  'fulltimeusers' get extended from
>sunrise
>> >to start at sunrise.
>> >
>> >Best,
>> >Mitch.
>> >
>> >
>> >Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 22:13:35 -0700
>> >From: h.zeller at acm.org
>> >To: bfb at riseup.net
>> >CC: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
>> >Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Proposal to open Noisebridge at
>> >sunrise
>> >
>> >On 29 April 2015 at 20:17,  <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
>> >Hi all,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >At the last several meetings there has been lively discussion to
>bump
>> >up our opening time from 11:00 to sunrise. Specifically, Earl, our
>> >gatekeeper, is configured for three user types.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Earl currently opens when an RFID key is scanned for:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >anonymous users from 11:00 - 22:00
>> >
>> >deanonymized users from 7:00 - 23:59
>> >
>> >root users with 24 hour access
>> >
>> >the second group is actually 'fulltimeusers', which is like the
>other
>> >users as well and 'could' be anonymous, but in practice isn't (but
>> >should probably be a requirement).
>> >
>> >
>> >The proposal is to change this to:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >anonymous users from sunrise - 22:00
>> >
>> >deanonymized users form sunrise - 23:59
>> >
>> >root users with 24 hour access
>> >
>> >I would _not_ put anonymous users in the sunrise category. We give
>out
>> >tokens pretty freely these days, and I would like to continue this
>> >welcoming gesture. However, if this brings in the burden to really,
>> >really be sure that this is a person I can 100% trust, then giving
>out
>> >tokens will be slowed down; which is not what we want. Someone
>coming
>> >in in early hours should be explicitly put into that category.
>> >So I would like to have people who can access the space in the early
>> >hours to be known and explicitly put in the 'fulltimeuser' category.
>> >
>> >But I am (personally) ok with having 'fulltimeuser' extended in the
>> >morning to sunrise (and would slightly endorse it).
>> >-h
>> >
>> >
>> >To accomplish this we use the https://github.com/cpucycle/astrotime
>> >library. The code is in place, perhaps ready to deploy.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >How do others feel about this change? If you're curious, have a look
>at
>> >meeting discussions.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_07
>> >
>> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_21
>> >
>> >https://www.noisebridge.net/Meeting_Notes_2015_04_28
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Some salient points for me include:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Early birds have described friction with the 11:00 opening hour
>> >
>> >Noisebridge is lonely when empty
>> >
>> >Noisebridge prospers when used, not abused
>> >
>> >Early birds want to hack between sunrise and 11:00 at Noisebridge
>> >
>> >Updating RFID keys with contact information requires editing a text
>> >file (not currently supported via the touchpad interface)
>> >
>> >Decoupling Noisebridge from an arbitrary and obsolete governmental
>> >definition, the PDT/PST flux, is nice
>> >
>> >Sunrise is beautiful
>> >
>> >If the change is not working out, we can always roll back
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Thanks much for reading,
>> >
>> >Kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >
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