[Noisebridge-discuss] [sudo-discuss] Fwd: [safe-hackerspaces] Jeanine Otter asked to leave Noisebridge

Gregg Horton greggahorton at gmail.com
Sat Feb 21 03:16:42 UTC 2015


DIE TECHIE SCUM! LEAVE THE BAY AREA! GO HOME!
On Feb 20, 2015 7:06 PM, "Matthew Senate" <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Shouldn't have posted this to the safe-hackerspaces at lists.riseup.net
> list, so instead I am forwarding this note to sudo-discuss and
> noisebridge-discuss:
>
> cheers,
> Matt
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Matthew Senate <mattsenate at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [safe-hackerspaces] Jeanine Otter asked to leave Noisebridge
> To: Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com>
> Cc: Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com>, safe-hackerspaces at lists.riseup.net
>
>
> Liz,
>
> Thanks for sharing, happy to hear where you're coming from.
>
> All,
>
> If I were a member of Noisebridge, I would ask myself about the ways that,
> as hackers, the NB community subverts the dominant culture, especially in
> the local neighborhood. The dominant culture in the bay area includes
> high-paid tech workers moving in from out of town (as well as VPs /
> managers / lawyers / etc flipping buildings and creating private services
> that subvert publicly-accessible ones). This exacerbates the ongoing
> displacement and dispossession of poor and working class people. If that's
> the case, then I would be interested in taking actions that demonstrate the
> NB community is not merely Techie Scum, and that it can rise above such
> rhetoric to strike at the root of the matter. Any opportunities to reach
> out to anti-eviction groups in SF?
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> // Matt
>
> p.s. Note I dropped "gentrification" for "displacement and dispossession"
> which is what I believe is really happening...
>
> p.p.s. I think everyone has the "Die Techie Scum" motto all wrong--it's a
> positive German exclamation for "The Techie Scum!"
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npty9_ik-E8
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I also hated it when we had "anti-science" people hanging out (years ago
>> from the Public School")   As they would rail against tech in general.
>> Then why are you at a hackerspace? It is for technology using!  Broadly
>> defined!  *headdesk*
>>
>> Anyway, I get it if this person is just super obnoxious and a jerk.
>>
>> - liz
>>
>>
>>
>> - liz
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Liz Henry <lizhenry at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I want to support Noisebridg'es kicking people out abilities, especially
>>> for people who are  annoying, destructive, and scary, but personally, as
>>> techie scum myself, do not think Die Techie Scum posters are crossing a
>>> line.  I would understand someone taking the posters down.
>>>
>>> My line is more around power dynamics and whether something is a
>>> specific threat.
>>>
>>> This reads to me much more like hyperbole. Like, I can read and admire
>>> the rhetoric of the SCUM Manifesto, or as I hope others can, without
>>> actually supporting violence, and treat it as food for thought.
>>>
>>> "if you're new to town and work in tech, leave" also just seems like
>>> slightly harsh political speech. It is angry and it's rude and it will be
>>> offensive to many people but hardly seems like oppression or a threat of
>>> violence or a terrible harassment campaign.
>>>
>>> Not sure there is a way to be internally consistent, for example, I
>>> would think it fine to ban someone with a White Power tattoo on their face
>>> and yet would argue that Die Techie Scum is not so bannable.
>>>
>>> Is this person also just generally annoying or not nice to have
>>> around?
>>>
>>> My 2 cents.
>>>
>>> - Liz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:30 PM, Patrick O'Doherty <p at trickod.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Last night myself and Torrie asked Jeanine Otter to leave Noisebridge
>>>> and not come back.
>>>>
>>>> Jeanine had been using Noisebridge to print hateful, offensive material
>>>> ("Die Techie Scum" posters and the like) in large quantities. Many were
>>>> uncomfortable with her offensive material and attitude towards those in
>>>> the community.
>>>>
>>>> I've added Jeanine to the Noisebridge 86 page.
>>>>
>>>> p
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Patrick O'Doherty
>>>> +1 (650) 701-7829
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Liz Henry
>>> lizhenry at gmail.com
>>>
>>> "Electric ladies will you sleep or will you preach?" -- Janelle Monae
>>>
>>> "Without models, it's hard to work; without a context, difficult to
>>> evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Liz Henry
>> lizhenry at gmail.com
>>
>> "Electric ladies will you sleep or will you preach?" -- Janelle Monae
>>
>> "Without models, it's hard to work; without a context, difficult to
>> evaluate; without peers, nearly impossible to speak." -- Joanna Russ
>>
>
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