[Noisebridge-discuss] MongoDB Office Hours

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Tue Jul 21 23:55:10 UTC 2015


I’m pretty sure he would. It’s not that intense, really.


Jeffrey

On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:54 PM, 2011PIguppy2011
<2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Praveen I would highly encourage you to make these statements face to face
> instead of over the internet.  It's really draining and I would be very
> surprised if you felt it was appropriate to speak to someone like that in
> person.
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The issues of giving corporate free passes is centrally linked to very
>> real gentrification issues, inside and outside noisebridge.
>>
>> Inside noisebridge:
>>     - we still don't have disabled or elderly accessible environments even
>> after years of being here.  Our members with accessibility issues often
>> have to go to great struggles to figure out if they can be at the space.
>>      - we are still a monolingual environment, with our wiki being english
>> only inside a strong bilingual community
>>
>> The list can go on about noisebridge and the immediate neighborhood, like
>> providing mesh access to the low income in the community.
>>
>> Having cash to do such things, beyond worrying about basic rent is of
>> immense value.
>>
>> And yet we have actors like Jehan privileging free access to a cash heavy
>> corporation because they use the AGPL in their product.  It's very
>> admirable that a company should do such a thing, but by that logic would
>> you invite Oracle in to give demos because Mysql is open source?
>> Preposterous.
>>
>> Noisebridge is not broken.  Our job is not to attract wealth people from
>> far away places like palo alto.  We have value inside our own communities,
>> in Noisebridge, in the Mission, that we have to develop and emerge to be
>> next cutting edge.
>>
>> In so far as politics at noisebridge -- I'm sorry but NB is an explicitly
>> political space. We host and talk about issues that are of importance to
>> hackers that include digital rights, free internet, and yes gentrification
>> and tech class divide in urban areas like the mission district.  If you
>> feel differently, I welcome you to shut down Techno Activism Tuesdays and
>> the many other projects we've hosted here.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:55 PM, 2011PIguppy2011 <
>> 2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I am concerned, free office hours are just that. I don't see
>>> the point in injecting SF city politics / hot button issues into this and I
>>> see it as blatant trolling. Noisebridge is not a political nonprofit.
>>>
>>> It would be great to have more responsible people in the space at a
>>> regular time using it to hack on tech. He said it was open office hours for
>>> whoever.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 20, 2015, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Garrett Smith <dhtmlkitchen at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> > We usually announce on Twitter that we’ll be available at the venue
>>>>> and
>>>>> > typically expect about 10 to 12 people to drop in on average. Anyone
>>>>> with
>>>>> > questions about MongoDB are welcome. I’d like to start the first
>>>>> "office
>>>>> > hours” Thursday the 23rd, from 4-6 PM.  Do you feel that Noisebridge
>>>>> is an
>>>>> > appropriate please to host these small meetups?
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that it's doocratic in the spirit of Noisebridge. You'll need
>>>>> to chec the schedule for room availability of Turing or Church before
>>>>> booking your room by editing the wiki.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I vehemently disagree  -- MongoDB is a for profit company that would
>>>> otherwise pay top dollar to have real estate to run where it can get
>>>> mindshare for other engineers.   While I support noisebridge to support our
>>>> own community members to launch their for profit projects (for example,
>>>> mitch altman pitching his electronics), it's frankly because of companies
>>>> like MongoDB getting a free ride from the city that not only is
>>>> Noisebridge's rent going up, but everyone in the neighborhood getting
>>>> kicked out as well.
>>>>
>>>> Noisebridge it  /community/ space - so I really have ask, what concrete
>>>> value does MongoDB add to this community?   Why not give Microsoft or Apple
>>>> free space to develop mindshare in our community?
>>>>
>>>> We may need cash, and once again our non-profit status does not allow us
>>>> to have in-kind donations.  But, if you really want to play ball with these
>>>> companies, we better make our benefit very tangible and make it *a lot*.
>>>> MongoDB would otherwise pay thousands if not tens of thousands to have a
>>>> deal somewhere else in the city.  We are a premium spot for it, and we
>>>> should make it such that even the poorest and most unconnected of us are
>>>> able to benefit from it.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> (Sent from cellphone)
>>>
>>
>>
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