[Noisebridge-discuss] Bay Area Renter's Federation @ Noisebridge

Torrie Fischer tdfischer at hackerbots.net
Thu Nov 5 04:30:04 UTC 2015


Garrett, you keep getting into fights, insulting people, and going off about 
insane conspiracy theories that are in direct opposition to known science on 
noisebridge-discuss.

Please stop and think about the disharmony this brings to the community.

I've flipped your mod bit.

Again.

On Wednesday, November 04, 2015 04:12:55 PM Garrett Smith wrote:
> typical statist mentality.
> 
> central planners are doing what I want so the hell with anyone who has
> self determination or the gumption to actually try anything on their
> own.
> 
> On 11/4/15, Winston Wolff <winstonw at stratolab.com> wrote:
> > I am happy to be packed into a city. It's the density of urban
> > environments
> > that enables efficient transportation (i.e. I don't own a car), lots of
> > people walking about and the critical mass to support the things cities
> > offer (I like restaurants, I used to go see music before I had kids).
> > 
> > Not everybody likes cities so we also have suburbs. It seems like a good
> > arrangement to me—everybody can pick the environment they like to live in
> > (assuming they can afford it.)
> 
> Let me shine some light on that.
> 
> Sustainable development takes tax money — from everywhere — and puts
> it into PDAs (Priority Development Areas).
> 
> Money is redistributed to the cities through RHNA, HUD, and many
> others. The redistribution service is not free; we pay for that, too.
> (Thank the service of Internal Revenue; under the Treasury Dept.)
> Remaining money isn't redistributed to rural areas; unless to tear up
> its paved roads to make them gravel.
> 
> There are (still) suburbs; we don't have them. Whether or not you or I
> like suburbs personally is another matter (and this is getting to the
> concept of self-determination and free will). I don't care what you
> like.
> 
> Sustainable housing includes the all-black NEMA building, get LEED
> certified, adjacent to the LEED building with the methane-emitting
> fire pit (dirty burning nat gas, and AIRC CH4 has ~300x the GWP of
> CO2). Trust your planners, they're going to save you from the problems
> they're causing, while they contradict themselves by causing more.
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