[Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos

Eric Michaud michaud.eric.c at gmail.com
Thu Nov 12 00:37:31 UTC 2015


So is that a custom ASIC after the FTDI converter?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> *"Can someone post here a picture of the old board? " *
>
>
> https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024.jpg
>
> Note, this was taken from a website with our same model number, this is
> not a pic from NB.  It looks like its the same as the one you linked.
>
>
>
> *"Who the heck on this list has **DB25 parallel connector to USB. Bring
> it in so we can A/B test this(at least an A) and see if we need to go
> another route. I can't believe it's taken this long to get this moving.
> I'll be at NB tonight for awhile so if anyone has one, or if there is one
> in the space, I'll happily give this a shot."*
>
> These are not super common nowadays.  I looked online and many of them are
> "dumb" passive cables without circuitry meant for printers only :/  LPT
> legacy support is sadly lacking nowadays.
>
>
> -Zach
>
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> *From:* Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 4:05 PM
> *To:* Zach R
> *Cc:* Zach; noisebridge-discuss
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>
> Seriously?1?!?!?!
>
> Who the heck on this list has DB25 parallel connector to USB. Bring it in
> so we can A/B test this(at least an A) and see if we need to go another
> route. I can't believe it's taken this long to get this moving. I'll be at
> NB tonight for awhile so if anyone has one, or if there is one in the
> space, I'll happily give this a shot.
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> doubtful, but in my original post to this thread there is a link to the
>> board we are missing.  The ICs are clearly visible and can be looked up.
>>
>> Also, another (kinda cool) option would be to simple hook a parallel port
>> supporting laptop up to this thing and see what happens (assuming the
>> software supports it).  We could get a DB25 cable and hook up a T40 for
>> example (once I work on the mainboard a little).
>>
>>
>> Let me work on the mainboard before we do the "is it worth it" math.  It
>> may be fixable.  Eric, the mainboard is the giant PCB that actually steps
>> up the voltage to the laser and does all the motor I/O work.  its the most
>> expensive part (takes the AC voltage and also converts to +24 and +5 I
>> believe).  I uploaded pictures of it and emailed to the discuss as well.
>>
>>
>> Please refer to my past posts, (especially pictures and links). I've
>> spent a lot of time answering some of these questions already.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net <
>> noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net> on behalf of Eric
>> Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 11, 2015 3:55 PM
>> *To:* Zach
>> *Cc:* noisebridge-discuss
>> *Subject:* Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>>
>> Just an fyi, he may have admitted it's a usb to parallel board, but that
>> doesn't exactly mean it's a off the shelf component board and they may have
>> a proprietary wiring?
>>
>> Can someone post here a picture of the old board? Is it this one:
>> http://www.buildlog.net/blog/2010/08/new-laser-engraver-controller/
>> <http://www.buildlog.net/blog/2010/08/new-laser-engraver-controller/>
>> New Laser Engraver Controller at Buildlog.Net Blog
>> Full Spectrum Engineering is about to release it’s new Retna Engrave
>> laser engraving controller. It is initially targeted at the hobby and DIY
>> market.
>> Read more...
>> <http://www.buildlog.net/blog/2010/08/new-laser-engraver-controller/>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Zach,
>>>
>>> What do you mean by mainboard? Do you mean the USB to LPT converter
>>> board? What's broken other than the missing converter board?
>>>
>>> Corey,
>>> Yes you are mathing wrong... ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 3:14 PM, Zach <organic_unity at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I repeat, before we get into this conversation, let me try and work on
>>>> repairing the main board.  That is the bulk of the cost, probably $500 at
>>>> least.  If I can repair that it makes this whole conversation unnecessary.
>>>> If I can't, then we should revisit the "is it worth it" question.
>>>>
>>>> -Zach
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Wed, 11/11/15, Corey Quinn <corey at sequestered.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter Infos
>>>>  To: "Eric Michaud" <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
>>>>  Cc: "noisebridge-discuss" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>>>  Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2015, 3:12 PM
>>>>
>>>>  Maybe
>>>>  I'm mathing wrong; I see similar ones for $3500 or so.
>>>>  Not saying this is the best way to go, but I do wonder at
>>>>  what point does trashing the one we've got and replacing
>>>>  it start to make sense?
>>>>  On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at
>>>>  3:00 PM, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  What laser cutter with similar capabilities do you
>>>>  see for about $500?
>>>>  On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at
>>>>  2:51 PM, Corey Quinn <corey at sequestered.net>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  Oof. Given that that's over 20% of a *new*
>>>>  laser cutter, at what point do we say "screw it"
>>>>  and start passing the hat to just outright replace the
>>>>  thing?
>>>>  -- Corey
>>>>  On Wed, Nov 11, 2015
>>>>  at 2:36 PM, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  Hi All,
>>>>  I just
>>>>  spoke with Full Spec and they said as it's EoL it's
>>>>  $750 for a new board and converter.
>>>>  The support tech did admit it's
>>>>  just a USB to parallel converter: I'm going to venture
>>>>  this might solve the hardware problem:
>>>> https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/C2G-USB-to-DB25-IEEE-1284-Parallel-Adapter-Cable-parallel-adapter/1282038.aspx
>>>>  On Fri, Nov 6, 2015
>>>>  at 2:09 AM, Zach <organic_unity at yahoo.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>  Thanks for reply
>>>>  Eric!
>>>>
>>>>    What's your skill set right now?  that would be a
>>>>  good place to start. Right now it needs:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  1) someone to bug the manufacturer and see costs and
>>>>  possibility of replacement parts (via links i posted
>>>>  below)
>>>>
>>>>  2) hacking a new controller board which is likely parallel
>>>>  to USB adapter (Henner seems to know about this)
>>>>
>>>>  3) order new transistors for the power pcb (once i take it
>>>>  apart to diagnose- might need to bring it home where my good
>>>>  equipment is for that)
>>>>
>>>>  4) taking out the controller board that is there and writing
>>>>  down part numbers to reverse engineer as much as we can.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  and 5) googling for more info / replacement parts!  people
>>>>  are still selling these around if you dig.  maybe we can
>>>>  find another unit cheap.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  -Zach
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  --------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>  On Thu, 11/5/15, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Moar Laser Cutter
>>>>  Infos
>>>>
>>>>   To: "Zach R" <organicunity at hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>   Cc: "NB Discuss" <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>>>
>>>>   Date: Thursday, November 5, 2015, 5:14 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Hi Zach
>>>>
>>>>   and the Laser Cutter folks,
>>>>
>>>>   My name is Eric, Mitch told me after
>>>>
>>>>   I stopped by for the first time in years that some
>>>>  things
>>>>
>>>>   needed love after I asked about the status of a few
>>>>  pieces
>>>>
>>>>   of key equipment. Focusing on the laser cutter I was
>>>>  curious
>>>>
>>>>   if there was anything I could do to help, and figure
>>>>  out
>>>>
>>>>   what was blocking at this time.
>>>>
>>>>   Nice to meet
>>>>
>>>>   you,-Eric.
>>>>
>>>>   On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at
>>>>
>>>>   11:39 PM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   So I brought this up at the meeting tonight and then I
>>>>
>>>>   did more research.  Found some more useful info.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   model #: MLR-40
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   40w Full Spectrum Laser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Manufacturer website:
>>>>
>>>>   http://en.jnmydy.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   And here are the pictures I took:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://s18.photobucket.com/user/Segasonicfan/library/NB%20Hardware%20Class?sort=3&page=1
>>>>
>>>>   Here is the controller board we are missing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://moderndevice.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/fse-controller-768x1024.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   http://www.laserresale.com/?fa=app.view&it=5966
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://moderndevice.com/news/full-spectrum-engineering-40w-hobby-laser/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   http://wiki.lvl1.org/Full_Spectrum_Laser
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   http://www.therpf.com/showthread.php?t=140518
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   https://fslaser.com/Manuals/FSL_40w_Hobby_Laser_Manual.pdf
>>>>
>>>>     (manual)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   There is a second hand one for $1500 we could raise
>>>>  money
>>>>
>>>>   for.  That way we have this one for parts.  That's
>>>>  one
>>>>
>>>>   option.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   Im going to try emailing the manufacture to see what
>>>>
>>>>   replacement costs would be.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   -Zach
>>>>
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