[Noisebridge-discuss] [Noisebridge-announce] Noisebridge Statement on Jacob Appelbaum

jim jim at well.com
Sat Jun 11 03:46:21 UTC 2016


Thank you, Andrey,
     It would have been difficult for me to find
the links you included.
     I'm sending this off-list so's not to promote
more discussion (which might get heated...).



On 06/11/2016 02:46 AM, Andrey Fedorov wrote:
> Take jim's message as a request for documentation, not necessarily a 
> refusal to do his own research. After reading all the original sources 
> I can find, the accounts don't describe someone who I'd be close 
> friends or get in bed with, but that bar is a bit higher than "I never 
> want to be in the same room as him". The anonymous nature of the 
> announcement and non-public reasoning that led to it is definitely weird.
>
> More generally (i.e. NOT about this case in particular): smear 
> campaigns do happen, and if whatever process is in place for banning 
> folks doesn't protect people from being targets, then being part of 
> the community becomes a risk for those who work on things someone 
> might want to retaliate against. That's not unequivocally a good or a 
> bad thing, just something that affects the nature of the community.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Ceren Ercen <ceren at ercen.com 
> <mailto:ceren at ercen.com>> wrote:
>
>     Try doing the absolute minimum of Google searches before
>     complaining or waving conspiracy theories around. You'll come off
>     as less uninformed. Don't complain when we don't do your Google
>     searches for you.
>
>     And for the rest of you who "never noticed anything wrong"....
>     that's on you. And you may want to take a moment and examine
>     yourself, to consider why you overlooked years of warning signs.
>
>     Also, I'm only disappointed that there hadn't been discussion of
>     this problem on this list, yet, but as I'm not physically located
>     nearby SF this year, I decided it wasn't my place to open one.
>
>     On Jun 10, 2016 9:06 PM, "jim" <jim at well.com
>     <mailto:jim at well.com>> wrote:
>
>
>         I subxcribe to the Noisebridge-announce mailing
>         list. Today I received email from
>
>         noisebridge at riseup.net <mailto:noisebridge at riseup.net>
>
>         sent to the Noisebridge-announce list. Here is the
>         entire content of the body of the message:
>
>         https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Noisebridge_Statement_on_Jacob_Appelbaum
>
>
>
>
>         Below is my reply to the message:
>
>             This is coming out of the blue for me. I have
>         heard no claims against Jake for any reason.
>
>             My questions are
>         * who wrote this
>         * what is the basis of the claims against Jake?
>
>            The anonymity of the writer makes me suspicious.
>            The lack of information behind the primary claim
>         makes me suspicious.
>            This may be an artifact of a smear campaign.
>
>            I'm presenting my concern to the Noisebridge-discuss
>         mailing list hoping for information. I really hope
>         this does not develop into an emotional discussion.
>
>
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