[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding *Appelbaum*

Andrey Fedorov me at anfedorov.com
Sat Jun 11 19:43:47 UTC 2016


The letter is a first-hand account of third-hand accusations of harassment
being mis-interpretations (perhaps due to confirmation bias). Nobody is
called a liar, and to the contrary, the letter explains why the
misunderstanding could have occurred.

Let's try to at least *appear* civilized.

Again, what are the firsthand accounts of sexual misconduct? Let's not hang
people based on rumors.

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:27 PM, John Adams <jna at retina.net> wrote:

> I'm sure Brock Turner could also come up with 11 women who would say he's
> a "Nice Guy." All this letter says is, "He didn't rape us yet." It also
> calls Leigh and other women liars which is deeply offensive.
>
> One woman standing up and saying something didn't happen doesn't negate
> the experiences of other women and to dismiss this as a "lynch mob" or
> "conspiracy" is to dismiss the experiences of the victims.
>
> -j
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:17 AM Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I can't resist more!  It's stronger than me!  :)
>>
>> Did you all read this statement?  :)
>>
>> Jill Bahring: I Was Not Assaulted by Jacob Appelbaum
>>
>>
>> http://gizmodo.com/jill-bahring-i-was-not-assaulted-by-jacob-appelbaum-1781684838
>>
>> Quoting 'Mirimir', a voluntary collaborator of Tor Project:
>>
>> "I'd say that conspiracies among Tor Project employees and volunteers to
>> force out and humiliate a key employee would be a serious matter, with
>> obvious impact on Tor development.  So it's not just Jacob's behavior that
>> must be reviewed.  It's also the behavior of the lynch mob.  And anyone who
>> behaved dishonestly and/or recklessly in this matter needs to resign.
>> There's no place in Tor Project for rapists.  But there's also no place
>> there for lynch mobs."
>>
>> Tender kisses!  Sorry for my bad English!  :*
>>
>> Ceci
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com>
>> Date: Jun 11, 2016 3:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding
>> *Appelbaum*
>> To: <tor-talk at lists.torproject.org>
>>
>> Oh, it is so lovely!  The world is really small, as I said times before!
>> <3
>>
>> Joana Varon  (not Veron)  is a lovely friend of mine and we both work
>> voluntarily in different groups for *women's empowerment* using technology
>> in general.
>>
>> I am a bad lawyer and tell lots of bad jokes, but Joana is a famous
>> researcher, famous for her intelligence and her work in the privacy area.
>>
>> I didn't know about this statement, because I am being harassed for
>> several "friends" of mine and, just in case, I avoiding contact with
>> everybody.  :P
>>
>> Now, my day is much more beautiful and I think I love her even more,
>> haha!!  ;)
>>
>> I bcc her in this message and  -  wow!  -  Jo, I do love you!  Thank you
>> for being so fair and rational in all the moments.  You are an awesome
>> professional and a gorgeous person.  Thank you for being, my dear!  :*
>>
>> Have a lovely weekend, shiny happy people!  <3
>>
>> Cecilia, la la la...  Yep, always "cecilying", Jo!  :D
>> On Jun 11, 2016 2:26 PM, "carlo von lynX" <lynX at time.to.get.psyced.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Saturday 11th June 2016
>>>
>>> We, the undersigned, are a group of women who have been friends,
>>> colleagues, co-workers or partners of Jacob "Jake" Appelbaum over many
>>> years.
>>>
>>> We have decided that we must speak out due to the nature of this
>>> coordinated and one-sided attack on his character and work. It has become
>>> clear the mainstream media are unwilling to fact-check, and only too
>>> willing to persist in spreading uncorroborated and unfalsifiable rumor.
>>> This statement is to give our positive experiences with Jake from our
>>> first-hand, long-term perspectives, over many public and private situations.
>>>
>>> We do not claim to know what happened in precise situations that we were
>>> not present for, and we do not want to trivialise and minimise any pain
>>> that may have been caused. But we are observing – beyond the allegations,
>>> that are not for us to comment on specifically – an egregious character
>>> assassination is being played out with numerous defamations online and
>>> offline. This is not how the truth can be determined, or justice for anyone
>>> done, whether law enforcement is to be trusted or not.
>>>
>>> We would like to state that our experiences with Jake are different than
>>> what is often being portrayed. We know Jake to be a kind, loyal and
>>> dedicated person. We do understand Jake can be outspoken and provocative
>>> regarding a number of issues – which can come across as offensive –
>>> however, we have never found Jake to be as is being alleged.
>>>
>>> We are not apologists for any genuine wrongdoing, and as women working
>>> in this community we know that there are struggles around sexism. However,
>>> simple punitivism is not how the human rights that we all defend should be
>>> enforced or framed.
>>>
>>> We believe that an open and evidence-based discussion in this situation
>>> is necessary to allow our community to develop better processes to handle
>>> any allegations. Furiously targeting one person without allowing for proper
>>> fact analysis will never solve the bigger structural problem that has been
>>> highlighted. We should use this moment to grow and make things better, not
>>> destroy the movement and create divisions. We need to create a channel for
>>> discussions on how to make things better.
>>>
>>> We stand in solidarity with Jake against the way this is being handled
>>> and on the side of justice for all, in hope the truth on all sides will be
>>> able to come to light in a rational and constructive manner.
>>>
>>>
>>> Renata Avila, Human Rights Lawyer
>>> Susan Benn, Artist
>>> Cathleen Berger, Policy Advisor
>>> Geraldine de Bastion, Policy Expert
>>> Annegret Falter, Political Scientist
>>> Marie Gutbub, Journalist
>>> Sarah Harrison, Journalist
>>> Christy Lange, Writer
>>> Isik Mater, Infosec Specialist
>>> Angela Richter, Theatre Director
>>> Felicity Ruby, PhD Candidate
>>> Joana Veron, Lawyer
>>>
>>>
>>> The initial signatories to this statement (named above) have opened an
>>> email address to receive additional
>>> signatories as well as any other constructive comments.
>>>
>>> Email: dueprocess at riseup.net
>>> Key ID: 3D1CEF58
>>> Key Fingerprint: 2A1D 7685 7AF0 ADD5 F3E5 D5B0 748C FAE0 3D1C EF58
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2858953/Statement-Appelbaum-11-06.pdf
>>>
>>> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2858953/Statement-Appelbaum-11-06.txt
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