[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding *Appelbaum*

2011PIguppy2011 2011PIguppy2011 at gmail.com
Sat Jun 11 19:49:18 UTC 2016


Can you all have these conversations one on one please. 99% of people on
this list did not subscribe for this purpose.

The other 1% are being too loud.

On Saturday, June 11, 2016, Andrey Fedorov <me at anfedorov.com> wrote:

> The letter is a first-hand account of third-hand accusations of harassment
> being mis-interpretations (perhaps due to confirmation bias). Nobody is
> called a liar, and to the contrary, the letter explains why the
> misunderstanding could have occurred.
>
> Let's try to at least *appear* civilized.
>
> Again, what are the firsthand accounts of sexual misconduct? Let's not
> hang people based on rumors.
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 12:27 PM, John Adams <jna at retina.net
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jna at retina.net');>> wrote:
>
>> I'm sure Brock Turner could also come up with 11 women who would say he's
>> a "Nice Guy." All this letter says is, "He didn't rape us yet." It also
>> calls Leigh and other women liars which is deeply offensive.
>>
>> One woman standing up and saying something didn't happen doesn't negate
>> the experiences of other women and to dismiss this as a "lynch mob" or
>> "conspiracy" is to dismiss the experiences of the victims.
>>
>> -j
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 11:17 AM Cecilia Tanaka <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com
>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I can't resist more!  It's stronger than me!  :)
>>>
>>> Did you all read this statement?  :)
>>>
>>> Jill Bahring: I Was Not Assaulted by Jacob Appelbaum
>>>
>>>
>>> http://gizmodo.com/jill-bahring-i-was-not-assaulted-by-jacob-appelbaum-1781684838
>>>
>>> Quoting 'Mirimir', a voluntary collaborator of Tor Project:
>>>
>>> "I'd say that conspiracies among Tor Project employees and volunteers to
>>> force out and humiliate a key employee would be a serious matter, with
>>> obvious impact on Tor development.  So it's not just Jacob's behavior that
>>> must be reviewed.  It's also the behavior of the lynch mob.  And anyone who
>>> behaved dishonestly and/or recklessly in this matter needs to resign.
>>> There's no place in Tor Project for rapists.  But there's also no place
>>> there for lynch mobs."
>>>
>>> Tender kisses!  Sorry for my bad English!  :*
>>>
>>> Ceci
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: "Cecilia Tanaka" <cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cecilia.tanaka at gmail.com');>>
>>> Date: Jun 11, 2016 3:01 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Statement by a group of women regarding
>>> *Appelbaum*
>>> To: <tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tor-talk at lists.torproject.org');>>
>>>
>>> Oh, it is so lovely!  The world is really small, as I said times
>>> before!  <3
>>>
>>> Joana Varon  (not Veron)  is a lovely friend of mine and we both work
>>> voluntarily in different groups for *women's empowerment* using technology
>>> in general.
>>>
>>> I am a bad lawyer and tell lots of bad jokes, but Joana is a famous
>>> researcher, famous for her intelligence and her work in the privacy area.
>>>
>>> I didn't know about this statement, because I am being harassed for
>>> several "friends" of mine and, just in case, I avoiding contact with
>>> everybody.  :P
>>>
>>> Now, my day is much more beautiful and I think I love her even more,
>>> haha!!  ;)
>>>
>>> I bcc her in this message and  -  wow!  -  Jo, I do love you!  Thank you
>>> for being so fair and rational in all the moments.  You are an awesome
>>> professional and a gorgeous person.  Thank you for being, my dear!  :*
>>>
>>> Have a lovely weekend, shiny happy people!  <3
>>>
>>> Cecilia, la la la...  Yep, always "cecilying", Jo!  :D
>>> On Jun 11, 2016 2:26 PM, "carlo von lynX" <lynX at time.to.get.psyced.org
>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lynX at time.to.get.psyced.org');>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Saturday 11th June 2016
>>>>
>>>> We, the undersigned, are a group of women who have been friends,
>>>> colleagues, co-workers or partners of Jacob "Jake" Appelbaum over many
>>>> years.
>>>>
>>>> We have decided that we must speak out due to the nature of this
>>>> coordinated and one-sided attack on his character and work. It has become
>>>> clear the mainstream media are unwilling to fact-check, and only too
>>>> willing to persist in spreading uncorroborated and unfalsifiable rumor.
>>>> This statement is to give our positive experiences with Jake from our
>>>> first-hand, long-term perspectives, over many public and private situations.
>>>>
>>>> We do not claim to know what happened in precise situations that we
>>>> were not present for, and we do not want to trivialise and minimise any
>>>> pain that may have been caused. But we are observing – beyond the
>>>> allegations, that are not for us to comment on specifically – an egregious
>>>> character assassination is being played out with numerous defamations
>>>> online and offline. This is not how the truth can be determined, or justice
>>>> for anyone done, whether law enforcement is to be trusted or not.
>>>>
>>>> We would like to state that our experiences with Jake are different
>>>> than what is often being portrayed. We know Jake to be a kind, loyal and
>>>> dedicated person. We do understand Jake can be outspoken and provocative
>>>> regarding a number of issues – which can come across as offensive –
>>>> however, we have never found Jake to be as is being alleged.
>>>>
>>>> We are not apologists for any genuine wrongdoing, and as women working
>>>> in this community we know that there are struggles around sexism. However,
>>>> simple punitivism is not how the human rights that we all defend should be
>>>> enforced or framed.
>>>>
>>>> We believe that an open and evidence-based discussion in this situation
>>>> is necessary to allow our community to develop better processes to handle
>>>> any allegations. Furiously targeting one person without allowing for proper
>>>> fact analysis will never solve the bigger structural problem that has been
>>>> highlighted. We should use this moment to grow and make things better, not
>>>> destroy the movement and create divisions. We need to create a channel for
>>>> discussions on how to make things better.
>>>>
>>>> We stand in solidarity with Jake against the way this is being handled
>>>> and on the side of justice for all, in hope the truth on all sides will be
>>>> able to come to light in a rational and constructive manner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Renata Avila, Human Rights Lawyer
>>>> Susan Benn, Artist
>>>> Cathleen Berger, Policy Advisor
>>>> Geraldine de Bastion, Policy Expert
>>>> Annegret Falter, Political Scientist
>>>> Marie Gutbub, Journalist
>>>> Sarah Harrison, Journalist
>>>> Christy Lange, Writer
>>>> Isik Mater, Infosec Specialist
>>>> Angela Richter, Theatre Director
>>>> Felicity Ruby, PhD Candidate
>>>> Joana Veron, Lawyer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The initial signatories to this statement (named above) have opened an
>>>> email address to receive additional
>>>> signatories as well as any other constructive comments.
>>>>
>>>> Email: dueprocess at riseup.net
>>>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','dueprocess at riseup.net');>
>>>> Key ID: 3D1CEF58
>>>> Key Fingerprint: 2A1D 7685 7AF0 ADD5 F3E5 D5B0 748C FAE0 3D1C EF58
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2858953/Statement-Appelbaum-11-06.pdf
>>>>
>>>> https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2858953/Statement-Appelbaum-11-06.txt
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