[Noisebridge-discuss] Broken Elevator Incident and Ideas for Improvement

Kevin Schiesser bfb at riseup.net
Tue Jun 27 02:19:19 UTC 2017


Zach - Yes, walkie-talkies.


Jeremy - Thank you for providing more context. I would like to learn 
more about what happened. I'm happy to take it off-line or continue on 
the list, whatever folks are most comfortable with.


On 6/26/17 5:13 PM, Zach R wrote:
>
> Thanks so much for your thoughtul reply Kevin Prime.
>
>
> I like your ideas on elevator safety.  Maybe some kind of intercom 
> with the upstairs for emergencies?  It wouldn't be a hard thing to 
> hack.  Even some old walkie talkies could do the trick, secured in 
> place with a power source.
>
>
> -Zach
>
>
>
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> Ideas for Improvement
> I had no idea this is why the elevator is out of order. Thank you for
> sharing Zach. Ping me if I can help realize any of your proposals below.
>
> What is the recommended way to respond to being trapped in the elevator?
> Ideally there's a button to push in case of emergency that establishes a
> bidirectional communication link with the 3rd floor. In lieu of such a
> button, a cell phone with service/wifi could be sufficient. Assuming
> neither of those things exist.. what's the best next step? Holler until
> analog communication is established?
>
> Also, how did the person in the elevator respond in this case? I am
> struggling to fill in some gaps in my mind and some clarity might help
> understand how we dropped the ball on deescalation and could improve in
> the future.
>
> Thanks much,
>
> Kevin
>
>
> On 6/24/17 3:52 PM, Revolt wrote:
> > <<sending this from another address since my emails keep bouncing from
> > my other addy>>
> >
> > I am very concerned about the incident that happened at Noisebridge
> > recently regarding the police coming and breaking the elevator and
> > arresting a homeless transgender person. Completely aside from the
> > fact that this broken elevator keeps me from entering the space now (I
> > use a wheelchair) and will probably keep me out of the space for
> > weeks, there are some thoughts I would like to share:
> >
> > As a longtime member of the community I believe NB has struggled over
> > the years with de-escalation and people have been far too quick to
> > include law enforcement.  The police in San Francsico are infamous for
> > their unnecessary use of force and I do not want Noisebridge to be
> > associated with violence of this or any kind.  I was told by someone
> > present at the arrest that the police had come in with weapons,
> > including an assault rifle.  This is /completely unacceptable/ and
> > presents a far greater threat to safety and people visiting the space
> > than just some person yelling in an elevator.
> >
> > The fact that a person got trapped in our notoriously unsafe and
> > confusing elevator and was then confronted with police brandishing
> > fatal weapons and what sounds like homophobic responses is really
> > problematic on all fronts.  Even if the elevator hadn't been broken,
> > this would not be cool.
> >
> > I propose the following:
> >
> > 1.  Let us educate ourselves as a community on de-escalation
> > techniques.  Keeping incidents like this from escalating will also
> > keep up in better favor with landlords and police and everyone else.
> > I have worked with the homeless population over the years and have
> > been close with people living on the streets and people in the LGBTQ
> > an POC communities.  Let's create better dialogue by:
> >
> >        a)  Hosting a de-escalation event at Noisebridge.  I am happy 
> to help
> > with this.  I am sure there are others with knowledge to share and
> > many simple techniques can prevent problematic incidents.
> >
> >        b)  Host a "get to know your neighbors" type event where we could
> > learn more about those that have lost their homes in this economic
> > recession and create a more humanizing image and dialog.  I bet
> > organizations like the Coalition on Homelessness and others would be
> > willing to speak or help out.
> >
> >        c)  Host an LGBTQ awareness event at NB (it's Pride week 
> after all!)
> >   There are a lot of people at NB who have recently moved to SF and
> > might not know the dos and don'ts of respectful communication with
> > people in the LGBTQ community.  Let's learn from each other.
> > Conversations have been happening on a one-on-one basis but I think NB
> > would greatly benefit from a larger discussion.
> >
> > and
> > 2. Let's make a /clear typed posting/ in the elevator of what to do in
> > emergencies or if you feel trapped.  An emergency contact number and
> > basic safety procedures would go a long way.
> >
> > I have friends who identify as female and friends that identify as
> > transgender who no longer come to Noisebridge because they feel unsafe
> > and discriminated against in the space.  They are very talented people
> > that have a lot to contribute and there are others as well.  Let's
> > step up our game our educate one another and keep the space safe and
> > as drama-free as possible with less police and broken elevators.
> >
> >
> > -Zach
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