[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017

Trent Robbins robbintt at gmail.com
Thu Oct 12 19:06:14 UTC 2017


I feel that paying people for work they do on Noisebridge infrastructure
runs counter to what Noisebridge is.

I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a far better
collection of thoughts than I could come up with on my own:
https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy

Trent



On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com> wrote:

> X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:
>
> I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for the
> elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid for their
> time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots of critical tasks in
> addition to fixing the elevator: managing finances, cleaning trash, running
> the access control and server systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous
> people, etc. We can't pay for all of the work that needs to be done to keep
> the space running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the
> elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize that DIY
> fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on a building we
> don't own, it's worth it to make the space accessible. As for a separate
> elevator fund, I think it would be best if there was a separate fundraising
> push or donation to make it happen, which was the case with the broadcast
> fund and equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I
> don't think spending from the general f
>  und is a big deal.
>
> Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be a cap
> on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more than that. And I
> would encourage anyone interested in doing so to look into whether we can
> legally pay a licensed professional to fix the elevator and deduct the cost
> from our rent to the landlord.
>
> I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to Zach
> through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of Noisebridge funds.
> I donated what I could, which is unfortunately not much right now. I'm all
> for people being paid for their work, but know that Noisebridge itself
> can't afford to pay for all the critical work that has to be done to keep
> the space operating.
>
> John
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.
> >
> > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I brought this item up as a
> "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was told if
> nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a formal consensus
> item.  So here it is. The proposed consensus item is as follows:
> >
> > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at Noisebridge.
> This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people like, but I believe a
> minimum of $400 per annual year would do a great deal to benefit the space.
> >
> > The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with mobility
> aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible disabilities
> (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming large furniture and
> donations, and for taking out the regular trash.
> >
> > As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months recently.
> Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space completely
> inaccessible for members in the community.  I think it would be most
> excellent to prevent this in the future by establishing a modest fund
> whereby we could hire people, obtain necessary parts and supplies, and keep
> this "must need" basic access to the space.
> >
> > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe and
> operational.  There is machine work to fix the broken front gate, a missing
> call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor switch detection issues,
> and other things all documented on the elevator wiki.
> >
> > Looking forward to hearing input from the community.  Hopefully we can
> all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.
> > .
> > -Zach
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
> > From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net [
> noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net] on behalf of Naomi
> Most [pnaomi at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM
> > To: Noisebridge Discuss
> > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017
> >
> > Greetings, NB(D),
> >
> > A meeting occurred!
> >
> > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning the
> idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.
> >
> > The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a "must have"
> whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually falls into the category
> of "it would be cool if".
> >
> > Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal more
> concrete.
> >
> > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10
> >
> >
> > TLDR what happened at the meeting:
> >
> > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st and 3rd
> Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th Wednesday.
> > *   Finances: ???
> > *   New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her know
> she's at 4 weeks!
> > *   New philanthropists: nope
> > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund
> > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the Internet
> Archive at this point.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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