[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017

jim jim at well.com
Thu Oct 12 19:45:11 UTC 2017


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On 10/12/2017 07:06 PM, Trent Robbins wrote:
> I feel that paying people for work they do on Noisebridge 
> infrastructure runs counter to what Noisebridge is.
>
> I wanted to write something complex but this webpage has a far better 
> collection of thoughts than I could come up with on my own: 
> https://communitywiki.org/wiki/DoOcracy
>
> Trent
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 11:33 AM, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com 
> <mailto:john.d.shutt at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     X-post from #finance-wg on Slack:
>
>     I would support spending a certain amount of money for parts for
>     the elevator, but share others' concerns about anyone getting paid
>     for their time from the Noisebridge bank account. There are lots
>     of critical tasks in addition to fixing the elevator: managing
>     finances, cleaning trash, running the access control and server
>     systems, leading tours, 86-ing hazardous people, etc. We can't pay
>     for all of the work that needs to be done to keep the space
>     running. Legally it's the landlord's responsibility to keep the
>     elevator working, but they've done a very poor job and I recognize
>     that DIY fixes will be faster. Even though we're spending money on
>     a building we don't own, it's worth it to make the space
>     accessible. As for a separate elevator fund, I think it would be
>     best if there was a separate fundraising push or donation to make
>     it happen, which was the case with the broadcast fund and
>     equipment fund, but if it's less than $400 per year for parts I
>     don't think spending from the general f
>      und is a big deal.
>
>     Adding to the Slack post: I don't think $400 should necessarily be
>     a cap on our budget for parts for the elevator, if it needs more
>     than that. And I would encourage anyone interested in doing so to
>     look into whether we can legally pay a licensed professional to
>     fix the elevator and deduct the cost from our rent to the landlord.
>
>     I also think it would be excellent for people to donate money to
>     Zach through PayPal for his work on the elevator, outside of
>     Noisebridge funds. I donated what I could, which is unfortunately
>     not much right now. I'm all for people being paid for their work,
>     but know that Noisebridge itself can't afford to pay for all the
>     critical work that has to be done to keep the space operating.
>
>     John
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>     > On Oct 11, 2017, at 3:14 AM, Zach R <organicunity at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:organicunity at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     > Thanks for the meeting notes and facilitation Naomi.
>     >
>     > Here is a follow-up email as requested.  I brought this item up
>     as a "small-c" item 2 weeks ago at the Noisebridge meeting.  I was
>     told if nothing was done in 2 weeks that I should bring it up as a
>     formal consensus item.  So here it is. The proposed consensus item
>     is as follows:
>     >
>     > I request that we establish an Elevator Repair Fund at
>     Noisebridge.  This fund could be as modest or ambitious as people
>     like, but I believe a minimum of $400 per annual year would do a
>     great deal to benefit the space.
>     >
>     > The elevator is necessary for those that use Noisebridge with
>     mobility aids (such as wheelchairs), for people with non-visible
>     disabilities (elderly, diabetes, MS, fibro, etc.), for incoming
>     large furniture and donations, and for taking out the regular trash.
>     >
>     > As many know, the elevator was broken for a full 2 months
>     recently.  Unlike broken tools or equipment, this made the space
>     completely inaccessible for members in the community.  I think it
>     would be most excellent to prevent this in the future by
>     establishing a modest fund whereby we could hire people, obtain
>     necessary parts and supplies, and keep this "must need" basic
>     access to the space.
>     >
>     > Note: the elevator still needs a lot of work to be fully safe
>     and operational.  There is machine work to fix the broken front
>     gate, a missing call light downstairs, a call box repair, floor
>     switch detection issues, and other things all documented on the
>     elevator wiki.
>     >
>     > Looking forward to hearing input from the community.  Hopefully
>     we can all agree that this would be a positive benefit to Noisebridge.
>     > .
>     > -Zach
>     >
>     >
>     > ________________________________________
>     > From: noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net
>     <mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net>
>     [noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net
>     <mailto:noisebridge-discuss-bounces at lists.noisebridge.net>] on
>     behalf of Naomi Most [pnaomi at gmail.com <mailto:pnaomi at gmail.com>]
>     > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:02 PM
>     > To: Noisebridge Discuss
>     > Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017
>     >
>     > Greetings, NB(D),
>     >
>     > A meeting occurred!
>     >
>     > Notably, we have a Real Live Consensus Item from Zach concerning
>     the idea of setting up an officially set-aside Elevator Repair Fund.
>     >
>     > The argument revolves around the idea that the Elevator is a
>     "must have" whereas stuff in the general equipment fund usually
>     falls into the category of "it would be cool if".
>     >
>     > Zach should post a followup to this email to make his proposal
>     more concrete.
>     >
>     > https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10
>     <https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2017_10_10>
>     >
>     >
>     > TLDR what happened at the meeting:
>     >
>     > *   Announcements: Haskell Class starting Oct 18th (every 1st
>     and 3rd Wednesday). Cryptobuilders workshop every 2nd and 4th
>     Wednesday.
>     > *   Finances: ???
>     > *   New members: nope but we should contact Merlin and let her
>     know she's at 4 weeks!
>     > *   New philanthropists: nope
>     > *   Consensus Items: Elevator Repair Fund
>     > *   Discussion Items: people lost interest and went to the
>     Internet Archive at this point.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > --
>     > Naomi Theora Most
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