[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017

jim jim at well.com
Fri Oct 13 18:07:05 UTC 2017


     we should settle on an upper limit for
what we're willing to spend on elevator
repairs, significantly less than $10K in
my view.
     I'm willing to chip in if someone tells
me where, who, how.
    i'm for an earmarked fund to be used for
small, maybe medium, repairs in the case
that we can't first get the landlord and
agents to respond. the elevator is of
elevated importance for disabled and for
heavy loads (including garbae).



On 10/13/2017 04:33 PM, John Shutt wrote:
> I spent yesterday at the Department of Building Inspection with 
> revised plans, which were rejected since we need a signature from a 
> licensed architect. I’m reaching out to a friend who is a licensed 
> architect to see if I can get them to sign the drawings as the 
> architect of record. I also need to look into our insurance liability 
> for third-party “contractors” like architects or accountants.
>
> The possible consequence is that DBI decides to call a Director’s 
> Hearing, which hears evidence on the complaint and decides what to do 
> next. I have documentation showing that we tried to submit our plans 
> before the deadline, and a voicemail from the inspector saying that we 
> needed drawings “by a licensed architect or design professional,” 
> which is the root of the confusion: we have drawings by a design 
> professional, but not a licensed architect. So typically if it gets to 
> a Director’s Hearing and there are more inspections needed, we would 
> need to pay a fee for those extra inspections. I would push back on 
> that since we have clearly been trying hard to comply with the 
> instructions we were given.
>
> Bureaucracy is a mess, but we’ll get through it. We shouldn’t have to 
> tear down the SparkleForge.
>
> @Kevin: As I said before, from what I’ve been told, I’m the only 
> person who donated to Zach’s PayPal address when he posted it after 
> working to fix the elevator. I’m putting my personal money where my 
> mouth is when it comes to this, and I’m flat broke. Did you donate? If 
> not, how dismayed are you really?
>
> The two questions are whether Noisebridge should invest general fund 
> money into the building besides what we are ordered to invest by the 
> state, and whether Noisebridge should pay people out of the general 
> fund for their time and work on the space. From the feedback we’ve 
> gotten, the answer to the second question is no. People have blocking 
> concerns.
>
> The answer to the first question seems to be “yes, up to a point.” We 
> would absolutely need to think about it if it cost $10,000 or 
> something. Our lease is up next year. If we spend a huge amount of our 
> money on a building we don’t own and then get kicked out, we might be 
> screwed. Maybe that money would be better spent moving to a different 
> building. Maybe we can find a way to force the landlord to pay for it. 
> Have you researched how to force the landlord to pay? Or how much 
> repairs cost? Do you have numbers that could actually help us make 
> decisions about how to fix the elevator?
>
> Of course you have to think about this stuff. If you don’t think about 
> it you run out of money. If you do think about it, you survive. If 
> someone were to actually do the research and find out how much it 
> would cost to hire an elevator repair company, maybe that’s $500, 
> maybe that’s $20,000. Maybe if it’s $20,000 we still decide to spend 
> it. More likely we work it out with the landlord where we would pay 
> for the repairs and deduct it from our rent. Or if we can’t force the 
> landlord to comply, we hold a major fundraiser.
>
> As for your hypothetical, I would have the exact same response if 
> there was a critical issue with the third-floor door. I would suggest 
> that I would support spending a certain amount of money to fix it, but 
> it would be preferable if people raised money independently for the 
> project. That’s obviously preferable since it keeps from draining the 
> general fund.
>
> In this actual case, this discussion led to an observer pledging money 
> to a dedicated Elevator Repair Fund nearly double the size of what was 
> originally requested, which I consider a good outcome.  If that’s 
> inadequate to keep the elevator in good repair, then we can match it 
> with money from the equipment fund. So now we have $1,440 to work 
> with, without tapping the general fund. That’s $1,040 more than was 
> requested, and it’s available because we discussed it.
>
> If that’s still not enough, we can think and talk about tapping the 
> general fund—and my feeling is that we should! But it always has to be 
> talked about and thought through, to arrive at the best outcome.
>
> Best,
> John Shutt
>
>> On Oct 12, 2017, at 10:55 PM, frankbn at nym.hush.com 
>> <mailto:frankbn at nym.hush.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is the status of "Building Permit Application#inspectiongate?"
>> What will happen at 2:00 PM Friday?
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 21:48:30 -0700 "kprichard"
>> <kprichard at gmail.com <mailto:kprichard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> Let's say the 3rd floor stairs door got stuck, nobody can come in
>>> or out.
>>> Landlord's repair person says they can't come for three weeks.
>>
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