[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge Meeting 10/10/2017

Trent Robbins robbintt at gmail.com
Sun Oct 15 08:22:02 UTC 2017


Zach -

Email the treasurer and confirm what you plan to spend and wait for a
confirmation. Then give them a receipt for reimbursement when you have
spent it.

For anyone who wishes to have the money from the general fund in-pocket
before they spend it, discuss w/ the treasurer a process to do this
traceably.

Best,
Trent

On Sat, Oct 14, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Revolt <revoltrightnow at gmail.com> wrote:

> > we have $400 to spend right now on elevator stuff.>
>
> Which is where?  How can someone access this for parts for the elevator?
>
> >So if we know what we can do with $400 to improve the elevator, we can
> move on that now without a need for formal consensus.>
>
> I sent a link in the previous email for one part.  Is this money
> available for hiring someone to come inspect the elevator?  How does
> the process of actually getting parts work?
>
> >I would suggest modifying and expanding the proposal to create an
> earmarked Accessibility Fund that's fed in some way on a regular basis from
> the general fund >
>
> Do you want to propose this at the meeting?  I will vote for an
> Accessibility fund.  You don't need me to alter my consensus item, you
> can just shoot it down and propose this instead.
>
> I think the main point that is being missed here is the ongoing use of
> the elevator and the ongoing costs of its repair.  I opened this
> consensus item as a reasonable amount (<$35/month) for not only repair
> but preventative maintenance and upkeep.  It is just to have something
> set aside so that people like me with a host of disabilities and other
> responsibilities don't need to be typing email after email, injuring
> myself, and having countless conversations to get a few bucks to keep
> the elevator going.  It's just nuts how far this has had to go.
>
> >More news from DBI: Since we did an estimated $1000 worth of work on the
> SparkleForge, we're required to spend $200 (20%) on accessibility
> improvements, starting with the entryway. >
>
> I'm glad there is some money now, that is good news.  but I don't
> think it is excellent to need to wait for the government to /require/
> accessibility money as the only way to get Elevator / Accessibility
> funds.  It just shows how incredibly lacking Noisebridge is in this
> department.
>
> It breaks my heart to read how much resistance a simple Elevator
> Repair Fund has met.  There are funds for other super minor things.
> Accessibility just isn't a priority for a lot of people in the NB
> community and that kind of breaks my heart.  It gives the clear
> message that me, and people like me, are not important to have in the
> space.
>
> The fact that a person with multiple severe disabilities had to come
> repair the elevator for their own access to the space is very, very
> sad.  It is even more sad that people in the community seem
> uninterested in the long-term prevention of that happening again.
>
> #unexcellent.
>
>
> -Zach
>
> On 10/14/17, Revolt <revoltrightnow at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> we have $400 to spend right now on elevator stuff.>
> >
> > Which is where?  How can someone access this for parts for the elevator?
> >
> >>So if we know what we can do with $400 to improve the elevator, we can
> move
> >> on that now without a need for formal consensus.>
> >
> > I sent a link in the previous email for one part.  Is this money
> > available for hiring someone to come inspect the elevator?  How does
> > the process of actually getting parts work?
> >
> >>I would suggest modifying and expanding the proposal to create an
> earmarked
> >> Accessibility Fund that's fed in some way on a regular basis from the
> >> general fund >
> >
> > Do you want to propose this at the meeting?  I will vote for an
> > Accessibility fund.  You don't need me to alter my consensus item, you
> > can just shoot it down and propose this instead.
> >
> > I think the main point that is being missed here is the ongoing use of
> > the elevator and the ongoing costs of its repair.  I opened this
> > consensus item as a reasonable amount (<$35/month) for not only repair
> > but preventative maintenance and upkeep.  It is just to have something
> > set aside so that people like me with a host of disabilities and other
> > responsibilities don't need to be typing email after email, injuring
> > myself, and having countless conversations to get a few bucks to keep
> > the elevator going.  It's just nuts how far this has had to go.
> >
> >>More news from DBI: Since we did an estimated $1000 worth of work on the
> >> SparkleForge, we're required to spend $200 (20%) on accessibility
> >> improvements, starting with the entryway. >
> >
> > I'm glad there is some money now, that is good news.  but I don't
> > think it is excellent to need to wait for the government to /require/
> > accessibility money as the only way to get Elevator / Accessibility
> > funds.  It just shows how incredibly lacking Noisebridge is in this
> > department.
> >
> > It breaks my heart to read how much resistance a simple Elevator
> > Repair Fund has met.  There are funds for other super minor things.
> > Accessibility just isn't a priority for a lot of people in the NB
> > community and that kind of breaks my heart.  It gives the clear
> > message that me, and people like me, are not important to have in the
> > space.
> >
> > The fact that a person with multiple severe disabilities had to come
> > repair the elevator for their own access to the space is very, very
> > sad.  It is even more sad that people in the community seem
> > uninterested in the long-term prevention of that happening again.
> >
> > #unexcellent.
> >
> >
> > -Zach
> >
> >
> >
> > On 10/13/17, John Shutt <john.d.shutt at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> More news from DBI:
> >>
> >> Since we did an estimated $1000 worth of work on the SparkleForge, we're
> >> required to spend $200 (20%) on accessibility improvements, starting
> with
> >> the entryway. So right now that's seeding the Elevator Repair Fund
> >> (Accessibility Fund?) with $200. We don't need consensus on it since
> it's
> >> a
> >> legal requirement that we do it. With a matching $200 grant from the
> >> equipment fund, we have $400 to spend right now on elevator stuff. When
> >> the
> >> check from Phillip's employer arrives, the elevator fund will get a $720
> >> boost, and be eligible for another $720 match from the equipment fund.
> >>
> >> So if we know what we can do with $400 to improve the elevator, we can
> >> move
> >> on that now without a need for formal consensus.
> >>
> >> If we want to keep working towards a consensus proposal to improve
> >> accessibility, I would suggest modifying and expanding the proposal to
> >> create an earmarked Accessibility Fund that's fed in some way on a
> >> regular
> >> basis from the general fund or by a separate donation drive. That would
> >> provide a clear funding mechanism and budget to continue making
> >> accessibility improvements to the space over time, working along the
> >> lines
> >> of the equipment fund, and with matching grants from the equipment fund.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Oct 13, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Phillip Pearson <pp at myelin.nz> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> In this actual case, this discussion led to an observer pledging
> >>>>>> money
> >>>>>> to a dedicated Elevator Repair Fund nearly double the size of what
> >>>>>> was
> >>>>>> originally requested, which I consider a good outcome.
> >>>>
> >>>> This is great!  Who is this mystery person (or do they want to remain
> >>>> anonymous?)  I would like to get in contact with them.  I can do some
> >>>> of the research on a qualified repair person to come to NB and I can
> >>>> fill them in on repairs so far.
> >>>
> >>> That would be me :)
> >>>
> >>> The money is coming from a matching grant from my employer; AFAICT it
> >>> should get to Noisebridge in 45-60 days.
> >>>
> >>> I'm afraid I don't really have any time to actually help repair the
> >>> elevator, but I like your repair fund proposal, and want to support
> >>> the project.  I think it is an excellent idea to have a small amount
> >>> of money set aside for parts, outside help, possibly a professional
> >>> contract, so that folks can just go fix it rather than first having to
> >>> debate the merits of spending money from the general fund.
> >>>
> >>> - Phil
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