<p>Theres a totally different paper made of mesh, it isnt sandpaper.  Its used for drywall.  </p>
<p> use that to make it flat and be done...</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 28, 2011 2:20 PM, &quot;jim&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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    good point re grit size. 80 grit will probably work<br>
for a first pass. 100 or 120 grit will probably be fine<br>
for the final pass. (don&#39;t forget the elasticity of<br>
standards, e.g. &quot;fuck it, looks fine to me.&quot;)<br>
    150 grit and finer will require a lot more work<br>
without any apparent benefit once covered with water-<br>
based paint.<br>
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On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 14:13 -0800, miloh wrote:<br>
&gt; There are drywall sanders in the drywall tool bin, last seen by me<br>
&gt; over by the kitchen near the mushroom logs<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Use blue drywall sanders with handles for speed and accuracy.  Regular<br>
&gt; grit sandpaper is not recommended for this job<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Nov 28, 2011 2:05 PM, &quot;jim&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;            as to painting, i&#39;m guessing the 5 gallons of primer<br>
&gt;         we now have is PVA white.<br>
&gt;            if we&#39;re gong to put a top coat over it, i recommend<br>
&gt;         white-white, which has the greatest index of reflectivity<br>
&gt;         (about 95%; the lightest off-white has 90%, and most very<br>
&gt;         light colors reflect less than 90% of the light, some<br>
&gt;         light and all medium saturated colors are in the 70s or<br>
&gt;         less).<br>
&gt;            Not only do we get much more efficient use of lighting<br>
&gt;         with white-white, but we have much better control of color<br>
&gt;         in the space. note that a commitment to some hue (e.g. blue)<br>
&gt;         limits the possibilities of any decorations or alternate<br>
&gt;         colors in the space. white-white lets us put up the greatest<br>
&gt;         variety of posters and other colored objects without clumsy<br>
&gt;         color rhythms.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;         On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:13 -0800, Shannon Lee wrote:<br>
&gt;         &gt; Hi Mike,<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; I believe that the mudding is finished in Church; what&#39;s<br>
&gt;         going to be<br>
&gt;         &gt; needed in there is sanding and painting.  If you feel like<br>
&gt;         &gt; contributing, grab some sand paper from the drawer in the<br>
&gt;         shop and get<br>
&gt;         &gt; to it!<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; Warning: this is an incredibly dusty endeavor.<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; --S<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Mike Schachter<br>
&gt;         &lt;<a href="mailto:mike@mindmech.com">mike@mindmech.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Hey Shannon, thanks to you and everyone else<br>
&gt;         &gt;         for improving the space! I&#39;ve been a long time<br>
&gt;         &gt;         Church room enthusiast and was gonna use it<br>
&gt;         &gt;         to give a little workshop tomorrow around 7pm,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         but if it&#39;s in disarray I&#39;d rather show up and help<br>
&gt;         &gt;         out with something. So if there&#39;s a task I could<br>
&gt;         &gt;         take on let me know. Like, what are some basic<br>
&gt;         &gt;         things the Church room needs at this point, or<br>
&gt;         &gt;         will by tomorrow night?<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;          mike<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Shannon Lee<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &lt;<a href="mailto:shannon@scatter.com">shannon@scatter.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Hi Noisebridge,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; The walls around both classrooms and the shop have<br>
&gt;         been<br>
&gt;         &gt;         extended to the<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; ceiling.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Sheetrocking is complete; mudding &amp; taping was<br>
&gt;         ongoing when<br>
&gt;         &gt;         I left a couple<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; of hours ago, but everything was winding down, and<br>
&gt;         I suspect<br>
&gt;         &gt;         that it&#39;s done<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; for the night; when last I looked, Church and<br>
&gt;         Turing were<br>
&gt;         &gt;         mudded, and much<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; of the outside was mudded; the shop still needs to<br>
&gt;         be mudded<br>
&gt;         &gt;         inside and out.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;  I will likely not be back to this until this<br>
&gt;         weekend, but<br>
&gt;         &gt;         anyone else who<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; wants to mud is more than welcome to do so; and of<br>
&gt;         course,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         after mudding<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; comes sanding, and after sanding comes...<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Painting:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; We bought a 5 gallon bucket of primer, which I<br>
&gt;         plan to put<br>
&gt;         &gt;         up sometime,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; maybe next weekend; but honestly, we really,<br>
&gt;         really don&#39;t<br>
&gt;         &gt;         need any more vast<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; expanses of white walls.  Someone who has a Vision<br>
&gt;         of what<br>
&gt;         &gt;         the walls should<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; look like, and the artistic skill to execute said<br>
&gt;         vision,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         should make them<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; be something other than white.  We really need<br>
&gt;         some color on<br>
&gt;         &gt;         those walls.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;  Murals are totally welcome, simple non-white<br>
&gt;         color schemes<br>
&gt;         &gt;         are equally<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; welcome, but someone for God&#39;s sake do something.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Power and Lights:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Turing and Church are without light.  The shop has<br>
&gt;         the light<br>
&gt;         &gt;         over the<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; central work bench, and during the day is<br>
&gt;         well-served by its<br>
&gt;         &gt;         skylight, but<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; at night it&#39;s very dark. The neon lighting which<br>
&gt;         has been<br>
&gt;         &gt;         serving the<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; classrooms and the shop was in two long banks of<br>
&gt;         lights<br>
&gt;         &gt;         which ran<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; continuously over the three rooms; they had to be<br>
&gt;         broken up<br>
&gt;         &gt;         in order to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; allow for walls to be installed.  I understand<br>
&gt;         that there&#39;s<br>
&gt;         &gt;         a plan in place<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; to make the remaining lights light up; Jim even<br>
&gt;         expressed a<br>
&gt;         &gt;         revolutionary<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; idea whereby the lights in a particular room would<br>
&gt;         be<br>
&gt;         &gt;         controlled by a switch<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; *in that room* so that the people occupying the<br>
&gt;         room could<br>
&gt;         &gt;         control their<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; need for artifical light.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; The power rail above the table in the shop is<br>
&gt;         still powered;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         the rail has<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; been removed from Church and Turing -- again, to<br>
&gt;         make way<br>
&gt;         &gt;         for walls.  Turing<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; is well-served by its own 20-amp circuit and a<br>
&gt;         *lot* of<br>
&gt;         &gt;         outlets at various<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; convenient leves; Chuch, however, currently has no<br>
&gt;         power of<br>
&gt;         &gt;         any kind.  I<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; believe there is a plot afoot to power it, as well<br>
&gt;         as to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         mount a projector<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; and projector screen back there.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; If you&#39;d like to be involved in getting power and<br>
&gt;         lights<br>
&gt;         &gt;         where power and<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; lights should go, I refer you to Jim&#39;s missive on<br>
&gt;         the topic<br>
&gt;         &gt;         in a previous<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; email thread, as well as to Jim, SuperQ and Miloh,<br>
&gt;         who are<br>
&gt;         &gt;         all variously<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; working on this stuff.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Doors:<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Doors are needed for the shop, and possibly for<br>
&gt;         Turing and<br>
&gt;         &gt;         the Turing-Church<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Intra-Classroom Door.  The big doorway leading to<br>
&gt;         the shop<br>
&gt;         &gt;         needs (ideally)<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; double swinging doors, of the type you find in<br>
&gt;         restraunt<br>
&gt;         &gt;         kitchen and<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; hospital settings; the other doors should all (in<br>
&gt;         the best<br>
&gt;         &gt;         of all possible<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; worlds) have portholes, or windows, or be made of<br>
&gt;         glass,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         because nobody<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; wants to have their class or meeting constantly<br>
&gt;         interrupted<br>
&gt;         &gt;         by people<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; opening the door to see if anybody&#39;s in there.<br>
&gt;          SuperQ is at<br>
&gt;         &gt;         work on the<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; door problem; feel free to contact him.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Lots of people showed up this weekend to help out,<br>
&gt;         more than<br>
&gt;         &gt;         I can name<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; here, but including a one-armed Bandit, a small<br>
&gt;         army of<br>
&gt;         &gt;         purple-haired women,<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; and an stray 9-year-old girl who came in with her<br>
&gt;         parents<br>
&gt;         &gt;         after having heard<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Mitch on NPR and was put to work mudding.  Kaya<br>
&gt;         deserves a<br>
&gt;         &gt;         special shout-out<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; for the use of her truck for hauling everything;<br>
&gt;         Danny for<br>
&gt;         &gt;         getting this<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; moving, and for paying for a lot of it; and Jurgen<br>
&gt;         and Zack<br>
&gt;         &gt;         for basic<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; unflappability.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; As I said, many more people were involved to one<br>
&gt;         extent or<br>
&gt;         &gt;         another, and I<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; can think of at least one person whose name I&#39;ve<br>
&gt;         just flat<br>
&gt;         &gt;         forgotten; thank<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; you to all of you for having shown up and Just<br>
&gt;         Done It when<br>
&gt;         &gt;         it needed to<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Just Be Done.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; There is more still to Just Do; if you want a<br>
&gt;         task, just<br>
&gt;         &gt;         ask, and one shall<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; be given.<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; --S<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; --<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; Shannon Lee<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; <a href="tel:%28503%29%20539-3700" value="+15035393700">(503) 539-3700</a><br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt; &quot;Any sufficiently analyzed magic is<br>
&gt;         indistinguishable from<br>
&gt;         &gt;         science.&quot;<br>
&gt;         &gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt;<br>
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&gt;         &gt;<br>
&gt;         &gt; &quot;Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable from<br>
&gt;         science.&quot;<br>
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