[Rack] [Noisebridge-discuss] Omar: Please don't "re-build" the network

Omar Zouai ozouai.bavc at gmail.com
Wed Oct 23 03:16:01 UTC 2013

A few things.
I am not a "new" member, I've been visiting NoiseBridge for over a year now.
What part of new network PROPOSAL do you guys not understand? Key word
'PROPOSAL'. All of you are taking this idea up the butt like a communist
government. Ideas aren't perfect, they are meant to be perfected through
revision. There is no need to be obtrusive to the spread of new ideas,
NoiseBridge should not be a competitive environment. While yes, my idea is
pretty radical; so was electricity. Everybody didn't want it, Standard Oil
hated it. Diving deeper down into the competition like AC and DC power. DC
was being used to power the homes, and the generators had to be close by or
have a high capacity to allow for the majority of the power to reach its
destination. Edison thought it was the best. Then AC is started to become
perfected, and Edison is worried. Fast forward to today. All our homes have
AC power coming into them, due to its ability to travel long distances.

I'm not saying that my idea is the best idea, all I'm saying is that we
could give it a chance, and change factors to have it run smoother.

I made the Wiki page so I can better show what I intend to do. And where
does it say that I intend to EoL the existing equipment. The only thing
that was intended to be gone is BikeShed, and maybe it will still be up for

And for those who are skeptical(which most of you are). I do know what I am
doing, I've been testing this network idea on my home network(and it's
running great). A little common sense goes a long way. So think twice
before you say something, you never know the full perspective.

There's a fine line between being skeptical, and being ignorant.

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>    1. Casey Callendrello comment rated +1 by Giovanni Re. Tag:
>       Avoiding NB antipatterns. - Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Omar:
>       Please don't "re-build" the network (giovanni_re)
>    2. Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Omar: Please don't "re-build" the
>       network (Oren Beck)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 12:30:33 -0700
> From: "giovanni_re" <john_re at fastmail.us>
> To: Casey Callendrello <c1 at caseyc.net>, ozouai.bavc at gmail.com, rack
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> Subject: [Rack] Casey Callendrello comment rated +1 by Giovanni Re.
>         Tag: Avoiding NB antipatterns. - Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Omar:
>         Please don't "re-build" the network
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> Great post, Casey!  :)
> I suggest you get the heart of this somewhere prominent on the nb wiki.
> A "Things for NB Newbies to know, do, & not do".
> Link that from the nb home page.
> :)
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013, at 11:28 AM, Casey Callendrello wrote:
> > Omar,
> >
> > I see you are planning to re-do the network, according to your wiki
> > page[1]. I am personally asking you not to do this. What you propose is
> > already how the network is configured.
> >
> > Noisebridge operates on a do-ocracy principle, yes, but that does not
> > trump the One Rule of Excellence. I am saying now, that a lot of people
> > will find it very unexcellent if you rip out some carefully constructed,
> > critical infrastructure.
> >
> > Nobody is claiming the network is perfect. When bikeshed refused to boot
> > for a few days, that sucked. However, the solution is not to eliminate
> > everything. The solution is to identify problems with the existing
> > infrastructure, then fixing those. Can you please list what you think
> > needs to be fixed?
> >
> > There is an anti-pattern we've seen a few times here at Noisebridge,
> > where occasionally people newly join our community and try and "fix"
> > everything they see is "broken" at once. These people either burn out,
> > supernova out, or are banned. Please take it slowly.
> >
> > Thank you,
> > --Casey
> >
> > 1: https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/New_Network
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> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 03:49:00 +0800
> From: Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com>
> To: Casey Callendrello <c1 at caseyc.net>
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> Subject: Re: [Rack] [Noisebridge-discuss] Omar: Please don't
>         "re-build" the  network
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> Advocating for sanity as it's own path:>
> Decades ago we used to yank sites from LA36 terminals on dial
> modem>mainframe.. screamingly forwards to that year's best affordable kit.
> Same debates and team fragging applied then as now.
> So- we devised a process not yet improved on: Build the next generation of
> kit- thence validate it's stability in ramped up production- before daring
> to propose EoL on the old kit/network.
> I would approach the NB site in a similar proven mode. Obtain a new
> rack/cabinet, new cabling- et all- and deploy alongside the existing
> functional chaos. LAVISHLY annotate/document/LABEL REDUNDANTLY all cables
> and jack fields etc whilst so doing.  The next person to service/maintain
> interoperability will be one of us:>   So our craft level will either haunt
> or bless us.  Never forget that.
> Snip to the recap- Build a new infrastructure before touching the existing-
> we're golden.
> And thence begin a slow, deliberative  migration of non-mission critical
> loads to the new AWESOME build that was engineered to show our best.  I do
> so hope the build showcases the maybe several person-centuries of tech life
> experience this collective has between us.
> I'd also gently direct architecture of running ample spare cables to be
> tagged as such for expansion.
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