[Rack] Stallion/pony

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Wed Feb 19 18:30:46 UTC 2014


So we did some talking after last night's meeting.  We want new drives
since Casey thinks one or more of the drives in stallion was also bad or
dying.   I was thinking we could spend less on some of the other parts.  We
thought around the beginning goal of 572 would be a great place to start.
I think part of the beef of stallion is that they were not enterprise
drives.  I think we could swing for 4x500 gig new enterprise drives or
maybe even 1tb, depending on price.

I think we basically agreed that IPMI is a requirement so my idea of the
celeron board is a bad idea TM.


On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> We did find a good home!  We can use it for other things ( as long as we
> don't leave it on all the time).  I am going to be starting a sysadmin
> class at noisebridge and it would make an ideal machine for teaching since
> it has VT and a bunch of storage.   It would be great for the students to
> setup Vagrant, Openstack and other things on from scratch on a regular
> basis.
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:05 PM, John Ellis <neurofog at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ronald,
>>
>> I'm all for saving energy, but perfection is the enemy of good.
>> $300/yr for powering a main server isn't excessive.
>>
>> If people really do think 200W is excessive and should be ewaste, I
>> can find a good home for it :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>> John
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Ben Kochie <ben at nerp.net> wrote:
>> > 200W = 1.7MWh = $300 per year.
>> >
>> > My 6 drive sandy bridge machine is 70W at idle.
>> >
>> > Maybe worth some $ to reduce long term cost.
>> >
>> >
>> > On February 16, 2014 8:55:30 PM CET, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Spot on.  200 watts.   Is it worth it though since we are not buying
>> >> anything?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You are right.  Let me see if I can find the kill o watt.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Ben Kochie <ben at nerp.net> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The E5405 (harpertown), if I remember correctly uses FB-DIMMs. I
>> thought
>> >>>> we wanted to reduce the power use. These will likely be 200+W
>> machines.
>> >>>> Unfortunately E-waste.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On February 16, 2014 8:35:14 PM CET, Ronald Cotoni <
>> setient at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So this has been actually solved with 0 dollars.  Kellan Jacobs
>> donated
>> >>>>> some servers to noisebridge.  One was a nice fancy Xeon E5405 with
>> 8gb of
>> >>>>> ram and 4x 2tb hd's.  I was going to setup a raid 1 mirror with the
>> other
>> >>>>> two drives as spares (I do not know how good they are).  What do
>> you all
>> >>>>> think?  Also would anyone mind debian on it or should we have
>> something else
>> >>>>> on it?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> How much do we wanna spend?  I have a feeling stallion could use
>> some
>> >>>>>> new drives as well.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Totally valid.   I was trying to go cheap and low power for cost
>> >>>>>>> reasons.  Maybe we would not need IPMI if we could get a select
>> team to
>> >>>>>>> actually go to the space, perhaps even monitor that it is up.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2014 8:20 AM, "Ben Kochie" <ben at nerp.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> There were two reason I was suggesting the Supermicro+Xeon.
>> >>>>>>>> * ECC RAM (would be more stable)
>> >>>>>>>> * IPMI
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> For a very long time we've had issues where things were broken
>> for
>> >>>>>>>> weeks, and nobody in the space seems capable of plugging in a
>> VGA cable
>> >>>>>>>> anymore. Having IPMI would let us debug boot issues from remote.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I think most of the boards you suggested support VM, just want to
>> >>>>>>>> make sure we keep VM support in any replacement option.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -ben
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Doh.   I suck at mail.
>> >>>>>>>>> I was thinking something significantly cheaper and lower power.
>> >>>>>>>>> More like one of those mini it
>> >>>>>>>>> boards with 16 gigabytes of ram and spending more like 80 but on
>> >>>>>>>>> the board and processor.   I
>> >>>>>>>>> saw some nice celery 1037u boards that have TV 2 cores and usb
>> 3.0.
>> >>>>>>>>> They also have a pic
>> >>>>>>>>> express card.   I have even seen some with dual ethernet.
>> There
>> >>>>>>>>> are some similar AMD fusion
>> >>>>>>>>> boards too.  The whole machine would hopefully have a TDP of
>> under
>> >>>>>>>>> 100 watts even when
>> >>>>>>>>> loaded.    What do you all think?  Something
>> >>>>>>>>> like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-128-679but
>> >>>>>>>>> with usb 3.0 and a pci
>> >>>>>>>>> express slot.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Ben Kochie <ben at nerp.net>
>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>       There is a 2U case on my member shelf that was destined to
>> >>>>>>>>> become the new stallion.
>> >>>>>>>>>        It has a over-powered 2 CPU motherboard I was planning to
>> >>>>>>>>> replace with somehting
>> >>>>>>>>>       less hungry.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1519387
>> >>>>>>>>>       Combo Deal: $340
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       Xeon E3-1220V3 Haswell 3.1GHz 4-core
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116907
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       Supermicro MBD-X10SLM-F-O - uATX
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182820
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       2x 8G DDR3 ECC (un-buff) $210
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148770
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       1U heatsink (Supermicro) $22
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101298
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       Total: $572
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       -ben
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>       On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Casey Callendrello wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>             The closet is clear, but I'm pretty sure Stallion
>> has
>> >>>>>>>>> thrown off its
>> >>>>>>>>>             mortal coil. The last time
>> >>>>>>>>>             I poked at it, one of the NICs was bad, the graphics
>> >>>>>>>>> card was flaky, and
>> >>>>>>>>>             (worst of all) the lvm
>> >>>>>>>>>             volume for Pony is failing to mount.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>             I think it's time we pour one out for our dead
>> homies
>> >>>>>>>>> and throw in a
>> >>>>>>>>>             low-power replacement.
>> >>>>>>>>>             --Casey
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>             On 2/11/14, 11:56 PM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>                   I should also add that I'm happy to help get
>> it
>> >>>>>>>>> healthy again, but
>> >>>>>>>>>             as a non-regular
>> >>>>>>>>>                   user busy with my life elsewhere, I haven't
>> been
>> >>>>>>>>> super motivated
>> >>>>>>>>>             to dive in and fix
>> >>>>>>>>>                   it.
>> >>>>>>>>>             Maybe start with a working monitor/keyboard on
>> >>>>>>>>> stallion? Last I was
>> >>>>>>>>>             there to try and fix
>> >>>>>>>>>             it, I couldn't reach the back of Susan the Rack
>> (there
>> >>>>>>>>> was a giant 40+U
>> >>>>>>>>>             4-poster wedged
>> >>>>>>>>>             into the other side of that closet)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>             On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Jonathan Lassoff
>> >>>>>>>>> <jof at thejof.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>             wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>                   Pony has been offline for a long time. I can
>> no
>> >>>>>>>>> longer reach it
>> >>>>>>>>>             from remote.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>             On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Ronald Cotoni
>> >>>>>>>>> <setient at gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>             wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>                   I heard that it is having some issues and
>> most of
>> >>>>>>>>> the people who
>> >>>>>>>>>             were
>> >>>>>>>>>                   involved with it this.  I also just saw a
>> message
>> >>>>>>>>> about the
>> >>>>>>>>>                   next_meeting.py that ran on it which is no
>> longer
>> >>>>>>>>> running.  Is
>> >>>>>>>>>             there any
>> >>>>>>>>>                   assistance needed getting it stable?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>             --
>> >>>>>>>>>             Ronald Cotoni Systems Engineer
>> >>>>>>>>>
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>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>> >>>>>> Systems Engineer
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> Ronald Cotoni
>> >>>>> Systems Engineer
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