[Rack] Stallion/pony

Ben Kochie ben at nerp.net
Wed Feb 19 21:03:06 UTC 2014


Well. Those drives are some of the worst drives I ever bought.  Hence why they ended up at NB. :-)

On February 19, 2014 8:19:00 PM CET, Casey Callendrello <c1 at caseyc.net> wrote:
>They might still be good then. All I know is that LVM was complaining
>about the pony volume being gone. I didn't research further --
>sometimes
>I go to NB to hack, I swear :-)
>
>--Casey
>
>On 2/19/14, 11:14 AM, Ben Kochie wrote:
>> The 4x 1.5T drives that are in the machine were donated by me a few
>> years ago when the 1T drives in it were on their way out.
>>
>> If we don't mind refurb:
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236260
>> $99 2T RE4 drive.
>>
>> Or Seagate 2T for $160
>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148825
>>
>> -ben
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Feb 2014, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>
>>> So we did some talking after last night's meeting.  We want new
>>> drives since Casey thinks one or
>>> more of the drives in stallion was also bad or dying.   I was
>>> thinking we could spend less on
>>> some of the other parts.  We thought around the beginning goal of
>572
>>> would be a great place to
>>> start.   I think part of the beef of stallion is that they were not
>>> enterprise drives.  I think
>>> we could swing for 4x500 gig new enterprise drives or maybe even
>1tb,
>>> depending on price.  
>>> I think we basically agreed that IPMI is a requirement so my idea of
>>> the celeron board is a bad
>>> idea TM.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>       We did find a good home!  We can use it for other things ( as
>>> long as we don't leave
>>>       it on all the time).  I am going to be starting a sysadmin
>>> class at noisebridge and
>>>       it would make an ideal machine for teaching since it has VT
>and
>>> a bunch of storage.
>>>         It would be great for the students to setup Vagrant,
>>> Openstack and other things on
>>>       from scratch on a regular basis.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:05 PM, John Ellis <neurofog at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>>       Ronald,
>>>
>>>       I'm all for saving energy, but perfection is the enemy of
>good.
>>>       $300/yr for powering a main server isn't excessive.
>>>
>>>       If people really do think 200W is excessive and should be
>>> ewaste, I
>>>       can find a good home for it :)
>>>
>>>       Cheers!
>>>       John
>>>
>>>       On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Ben Kochie <ben at nerp.net>
>wrote:
>>> > 200W = 1.7MWh = $300 per year.
>>> >
>>> > My 6 drive sandy bridge machine is 70W at idle.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe worth some $ to reduce long term cost.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On February 16, 2014 8:55:30 PM CET, Ronald Cotoni
><setient at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Spot on.  200 watts.   Is it worth it though since we are not
>buying
>>> >> anything?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Ronald Cotoni
>>> <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You are right.  Let me see if I can find the kill o watt.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Ben Kochie <ben at nerp.net>
>wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The E5405 (harpertown), if I remember correctly uses FB-DIMMs.
>I
>>> thought
>>> >>>> we wanted to reduce the power use. These will likely be 200+W
>>> machines.
>>> >>>> Unfortunately E-waste.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On February 16, 2014 8:35:14 PM CET, Ronald Cotoni
>>> <setient at gmail.com>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> So this has been actually solved with 0 dollars.  Kellan
>Jacobs
>>> donated
>>> >>>>> some servers to noisebridge.  One was a nice fancy Xeon E5405
>>> with 8gb of
>>> >>>>> ram and 4x 2tb hd's.  I was going to setup a raid 1 mirror
>with
>>> the other
>>> >>>>> two drives as spares (I do not know how good they are).  What
>>> do you all
>>> >>>>> think?  Also would anyone mind debian on it or should we have
>>> something else
>>> >>>>> on it?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Ronald Cotoni
><setient at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> How much do we wanna spend?  I have a feeling stallion could
>>> use some
>>> >>>>>> new drives as well.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Ronald Cotoni
>>> <setient at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Totally valid.   I was trying to go cheap and low power for
>cost
>>> >>>>>>> reasons.  Maybe we would not need IPMI if we could get a
>>> select team to
>>> >>>>>>> actually go to the space, perhaps even monitor that it is
>up.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 15, 2014 8:20 AM, "Ben Kochie" <ben at nerp.net> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> There were two reason I was suggesting the Supermicro+Xeon.
>>> >>>>>>>> * ECC RAM (would be more stable)
>>> >>>>>>>> * IPMI
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> For a very long time we've had issues where things were
>>> broken for
>>> >>>>>>>> weeks, and nobody in the space seems capable of plugging in
>>> a VGA cable
>>> >>>>>>>> anymore. Having IPMI would let us debug boot issues from
>>> remote.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> I think most of the boards you suggested support VM, just
>>> want to
>>> >>>>>>>> make sure we keep VM support in any replacement option.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> -ben
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, 13 Feb 2014, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Doh.   I suck at mail.
>>> >>>>>>>>> I was thinking something significantly cheaper and lower
>>> power.
>>> >>>>>>>>> More like one of those mini it
>>> >>>>>>>>> boards with 16 gigabytes of ram and spending more like 80
>>> but on
>>> >>>>>>>>> the board and processor.   I
>>> >>>>>>>>> saw some nice celery 1037u boards that have TV 2 cores and
>>> usb 3.0.
>>> >>>>>>>>> They also have a pic
>>> >>>>>>>>> express card.   I have even seen some with dual ethernet. 
>
>>> There
>>> >>>>>>>>> are some similar AMD fusion
>>> >>>>>>>>> boards too.  The whole machine would hopefully have a TDP
>>> of under
>>> >>>>>>>>> 100 watts even when
>>> >>>>>>>>> loaded.    What do you all think?  Something
>>> >>>>>>>>> like
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=13-128-679 but
>>> >>>>>>>>> with usb 3.0 and a pci
>>> >>>>>>>>> express slot.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:16 AM, Ben Kochie
><ben at nerp.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>       There is a 2U case on my member shelf that was
>>> destined to
>>> >>>>>>>>> become the new stallion.
>>> >>>>>>>>>        It has a over-powered 2 CPU motherboard I was
>>> planning to
>>> >>>>>>>>> replace with somehting
>>> >>>>>>>>>       less hungry.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>
>http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1519387
>>> >>>>>>>>>       Combo Deal: $340
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       Xeon E3-1220V3 Haswell 3.1GHz 4-core
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116907
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       Supermicro MBD-X10SLM-F-O - uATX
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813182820
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       2x 8G DDR3 ECC (un-buff) $210
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148770
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       1U heatsink (Supermicro) $22
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816101298
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       Total: $572
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       -ben
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>       On Wed, 12 Feb 2014, Casey Callendrello wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             The closet is clear, but I'm pretty sure
>>> Stallion has
>>> >>>>>>>>> thrown off its
>>> >>>>>>>>>             mortal coil. The last time
>>> >>>>>>>>>             I poked at it, one of the NICs was bad, the
>>> graphics
>>> >>>>>>>>> card was flaky, and
>>> >>>>>>>>>             (worst of all) the lvm
>>> >>>>>>>>>             volume for Pony is failing to mount.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             I think it's time we pour one out for our dead
>>> homies
>>> >>>>>>>>> and throw in a
>>> >>>>>>>>>             low-power replacement.
>>> >>>>>>>>>             --Casey
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             On 2/11/14, 11:56 PM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   I should also add that I'm happy to help
>>> get it
>>> >>>>>>>>> healthy again, but
>>> >>>>>>>>>             as a non-regular
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   user busy with my life elsewhere, I
>>> haven't been
>>> >>>>>>>>> super motivated
>>> >>>>>>>>>             to dive in and fix
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   it.
>>> >>>>>>>>>             Maybe start with a working monitor/keyboard on
>>> >>>>>>>>> stallion? Last I was
>>> >>>>>>>>>             there to try and fix
>>> >>>>>>>>>             it, I couldn't reach the back of Susan the
>Rack
>>> (there
>>> >>>>>>>>> was a giant 40+U
>>> >>>>>>>>>             4-poster wedged
>>> >>>>>>>>>             into the other side of that closet)
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Jonathan
>Lassoff
>>> >>>>>>>>> <jof at thejof.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   Pony has been offline for a long time. I
>>> can no
>>> >>>>>>>>> longer reach it
>>> >>>>>>>>>             from remote.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Ronald
>Cotoni
>>> >>>>>>>>> <setient at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   I heard that it is having some issues
>and
>>> most of
>>> >>>>>>>>> the people who
>>> >>>>>>>>>             were
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   involved with it this.  I also just saw
>a
>>> message
>>> >>>>>>>>> about the
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   next_meeting.py that ran on it which is
>>> no longer
>>> >>>>>>>>> running.  Is
>>> >>>>>>>>>             there any
>>> >>>>>>>>>                   assistance needed getting it stable?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>>             --
>>> >>>>>>>>>             Ronald Cotoni Systems Engineer
>>> >>>>>>>>>
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