[Space] Inert gasses
shannon at scatter.com
Fri Jan 15 15:21:39 PST 2010
So, just to re-iterate: the part of the fill that's hard is that the thing
you're filling gets more and more buoyant as you fill it; it's not at all
hard to fill a balloon with a heavier-than-air gas, beacuse it just sits
there; but an 8-foot balloon full of helium is very awkward to handle.
The balloons you guys got look a lot easier to deal with than the ones we
were using, so you may not have the problems we did, but I don't think
you're going to see an accurate "practice fill" with the co2, unless maybe
you rig the balloon to a pully with 17# of bricks on the other end?
It seems to me that if you want a real practice fill you have to spend the
extra $50 or whatever and get helium.
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>wrote:
> Great call there! I went ahead and called Atlas and they not only had way
> better prices, are open Saturday and rent the regulator, they had some
> interesting things to say about which gas to use.
> Costs: N2 $28.77, CO2 $23.90, rental $0.26/day, reg $40-$100 to buy,
> $8/month to rent.
> They also deliver for a charge of $20.
> The guy also explained to me why we don't want to use CO2. It apparently
> changes volume considerably when it expands and contracts. Also we'd have a
> hard time making it not come out as snow and freezing up the regulator and
> all sorts of other problems. The guy there indicated that it'd definitely
> be far more trouble than the $5 we'd save on it.
> He also explained to me that the balloon filler would be much slower using
> nitrogen than helium.
> So I guess if we want to go this route (which sounds appealing) we'd not
> need to decide "rent or buy" before tomorrow.
> Getting to the bottom of the hill is convenient. The view from the top of
> the hill is stunning. Where would you choose to live?
> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 2:17 PM, someone wrote:
>> Atlas Welding in Berkeley will rent you a regulator along with your gas; I
>> dunno if they have co2, I know they have helium.
>> On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Christie Dudley <longobord at gmail.com>wrote:
>>> I talked to airgas and praxair. They each like to have an account. They
>>> also have different sized tanks for the nitrogen.
>>> Airgas was $41.03 for N2 and $43 for CO2. Their tank rental was
>>> Praxair was $40 for N2 and $35 for CO2. Their tank rental was $0.12/day.
>>> We will also need to buy a regulator, as these guys don't rent them at
>>> all. I inquired about the low end regulators:
>>> Airgas starts around $130-140
>>> Praxair starts around $90.
>>> Both places said you needed to set up an account with them because tank
>>> rental is done monthly. Praxair was clearly the better deal so I asked them
>>> about terms. They said that if we absolutely needed to have the stuff today
>>> then they could work it out with a $250 credit card deposit refundable when
>>> the tanks are returned. Tanks would have to be returned Monday morning.
>>> 1) Is it worth the $35-$40 to go for the fill test this weekend?
>>> 2) We're ready to buy a regulator? This would be what we would want to
>>> use for the helium as well, but not flammable gases like propane, as it
>>> won't be reverse threaded.
>>> Getting to the bottom of the hill is convenient. The view from the top of
>>> the hill is stunning. Where would you choose to live?
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