[Tastebridge] [Noisebridge-discuss] cleaning up kitchen area

Danny O'Brien danny at spesh.com
Mon Sep 12 10:44:51 PDT 2011


Subject change. Sorry about my delicate sensibilities.

So Jorgen and Rayc are doing a clean-up in the next few days. Emails are in
the To: header if you'd like to mail them to get involved.

Francisco, a lot of people thinks that it's your banana vinegar that's
attracting them. Can you work with them to fix it?

I AM NOT IN CHARGE, I JUST RELAY THIS STUFF TO THE LISTS

d.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Danny O'Brien <danny at spesh.com> wrote:

> Duncan.
>
> In practical terms, talk to Ed, who is a trained restaurant professional,
> is working on the fruitfly problem, and still has at least twenty hours of
> service to Noisebridge to go, Francisco, who runs the cleaning process on
> Wednesday, and the rest of tastebridge at
> tastebridge at lists.noisebridge.net. The brewing people are meeting tomorrow
> at 7PM, if you want to speak to them also.
>
> I think a lot of your ideas make a great deal of sense; if what you want is
> some money, go ahead and ask somebody for some money. I'm not sure what else
> you want.
>
> d.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:38 PM, Just Duncan <justduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Am I being trolled and just naive?  If I am, will a board member please
>> kindly let me know?   I'm beginning to wonder, especially by the question in
>> anonymity (whoever you, Snail, are).
>>
>> No, I'm long over it, thank you.  Would you kindly explain to me what part
>> of "the diarrhea I had 10 days ago" would lead you to conclude I might be
>> currently ill?
>>
>> Yes, quarantine was great.  It would be ideal if we knew which person was
>> getting it next, *especially* as it requires NO responsibility or action
>> by anyone in the group!
>>
>> Unfortunately, to quote the California lotto, "Are You Next?
>>
>> Don't worry, I'm smiling and not worked up over this... I've already had
>> it.  :-)
>>
>> Duncan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If you're personally sick, maybe you should avoid being at nb until your
>>> health improves, if you're concerned with spreading it. Quarantine is a
>>> great way to prevent public outbreak.
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2011 6:10 PM, "Just Duncan" <justduncan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ARRRGGHHH!!   Forget the flowers--  After several days of the severe runs
>>> last week and CONTINUING to clean back-splashed fecal matter from the
>>> toilets in greater frequency, I'm trying-- apparently unsuccessfully thus
>>> far-- to prevent/contain an outbreak of illness here at Noisebridge.  Rather
>>> than action or volunteering to help solve the problem, all I seem to be
>>> hearing about is the goddamn flowers.  The flowers don't cause diarrhea, but
>>> they do foster the vectors that do.  It's the diarrhea, folks, DIARRHEA.
>>> The problem is pathogens in fecal matter causing diarrhea, NOT flowers.
>>>
>>> Dysentary, per se, is not the only bacteria to cause
>>> gastroenteritis/diarrhea, nor the only pathogen found in human feces.  Other
>>> more likely ones include salmonella, enterovirii, Norwalk virus (a
>>> norovirus), camphlyobactor, E.coli, crytosporidium, coliforms, and
>>> coliphages. Fruit flies transmit pathogens in fecal matter (1)<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1169043/>, including E
>>> coli <http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/65/1/1>.   Flowers attract
>>> fruit flies (see 7th bullet point under the "CLEAN" section here<http://www.infobarrel.com/Getting_Rid_of_Fruit_Flies>).
>>> By analogy, rodents don't transmit the Black Plague, but the fleas that
>>> loved to hang out with rodents did.
>>>
>>> I am BAFFLED why Noisebridge folks seem to refuse to want to address
>>> problems when they are small and PREVENT them.  FOCUS, PLEASE:  THIS IS NOT
>>> ABOUT FLOWERS OR SIGNS.  IT IS ABOUT PREVENTING A PUBLIC HEALTH PROBLEM BY
>>> BEING RESPONSIBLE, *NOW*.
>>>
>>> But wait, this is Noisebridge, where the decision-making is not only
>>> consensus process based, but-- as it seems to me based on recent events--
>>> crisis management driven.  Let me put this another way:  Would we, as a
>>> group of individuals, prefer to step up and prevent an outbreak of
>>> pathogen-based diarrhea (which can be life-threatening) ourselves?  Or
>>> should we just ignore this health issue, focus on the importance of flowers,
>>> and continue a *que sera sera* apathetic attitude... until the
>>> Department of Public Health (or, worse, CDC) shows up to governmentally
>>> "solve" the problem for us?  After all, we ARE technically preparing and
>>> serving food publicly.  If we were a restaurant, I have no doubt that the
>>> health inspection would close us down for neglecting ANY attempt to
>>> encourage or enable the most basic steps of food safely, personal hygiene,
>>> and other parts of the food preparation health code.
>>>
>>> Personally, I just don't want the horrible, cramping, ill-feeling
>>> diarrhea I had 10 days ago... nor do I want anyone else to experience them.
>>> I clean the toilets fairly regularly; trust me, empirical evidence suggests
>>> it is still continuing.  I don't think this anywhere merits a 3-1-1 call,
>>> but the silence on this from board members even is perplexing.  If no one
>>> wants to deal with this but is willing to financially underwrite it, let me
>>> know and I'll get it done.
>>>
>>> Can we focus on the Feces and Fruit Flies, please?  Does it help if I
>>> point out that this might well be something that could affect YOU?
>>>
>>> THANK YOU, Noisebridge is excellent!  Let's work to keep it that way, ok?
>>>
>>> Duncan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 5:54 AM, girlgeek <girlgeek at wt.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Whether or not you like the...
>>>
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