[Toorcamp] Fwd: ToorCamp Re: General camp logistics.

John Menerick john.menerick at gmail.com
Wed Jun 24 13:30:25 PDT 2009



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> From: John Menerick <john.menerick at gmail.com>
> Date: June 24, 2009 12:41:02 PM PDT
> To: Sabrina <sabrina at autopornography.com>
> Subject: Fwd: ToorCamp Re: General camp logistics.
>
> I hope this should help you out.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
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>> From: Tim Huynh <nfiltr8 at toorcon.org>
>> Date: June 23, 2009 3:30:21 PM PDT
>>
>> Individual camps will not be allowed to build their own fires. We  
>> will have 1 large fire for the Camp.
>>
>> thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Christopher Abad  
>> <aempirei at gmail.com> wrote:
>> are there any campfires at toorcamp anywhere at all? an official  
>> toorcamp one? anything?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Tim Huynh <nfiltr8 at toorcon.org>  
>> wrote:
>> -Evap pools will be next to the showers on the other side of the  
>> fence line. We will have a "sink" that people can pour their gray  
>> water into and that will empty into our pools.
>>
>> -Our vendors will be serving all meals and late night snacks. Its  
>> really up to demand that will dictate their hours. They will be  
>> camping on the site so there is a lot of flexibility.
>>
>> -Compost piles will be away from the camp near the dumpster and  
>> will be in a clearly marked bin
>>
>> -Lets minimize trash. Instead of pure disposables, try to use  
>> plates and utensils that are compostable or reusable. We will have  
>> compostable plates and utensils for sale at the store. They are  
>> pricey (~$10 for 50 plates) so I'd advice just using plastic  
>> washable stuff.
>>
>> -Power for the group sites should be quite excessable based on your  
>> needs. We will have a couple of genarators all about the camp.  
>> Jaquiline and Divide, our group coordianators, can help you with  
>> any power needs.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:36 AM, 3ric Johanson <ericjohanson at gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> Tim!  Thanks so much for the info!  Questions:
>>
>> - Where are the evap pools located?   I assume we can haul over the  
>> output from our modest shower and other gray water sources?
>> - What hours are the food vendors operating?
>> - Where is this compost pile of 'leetness? I don't want to step in  
>> that much leet late at night.
>> - What should our camp budget for trash levels you are willing to  
>> accept in the toorcamp dumpster?  one 55 gallon trash can a day?  
>> less? more?  We have ~35 people in our camp.
>> - What is the plan for running power to the RV and general camping  
>> areas?  When I last looked at it, the spider boxes from the primary  
>> generator were located pretty far away (200? 300 feet?) from the  
>> primary generator
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -3ric
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Tim Huynh <nfiltr8 at toorcon.org>  
>> wrote:
>> Sorry for the lack of information. Just assume we will not let you  
>> die out there. There will be plenty of potable water for drinking  
>> and cooking. We have showers and porta-potties. There will be  
>> evaporators for gray water disposal. We have medical, fire and  
>> safety covered. Food vendors will be there for the times you don't  
>> feel like cooking or feel like having a latte. There will be  
>> compost piles for the environmentally leet. We will have generated  
>> power put it will be limited. Don't bring your portable jaccuzi  
>> unless you bring your own genereator.
>>
>> For the most part we want people to figure things out for  
>> themselves, work together to resolve communal issues and start  
>> dialogs like this to be self sufficient. We are small enough to  
>> allow ourselves and our attendees to stumble a little. Regardless  
>> of your learning curve we have made sure everyone will have their  
>> basic health and safety needs covered.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Paul <froggy at notacon.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am really excited about bringing an installation and camp to
>> Toorcamp.  However, I am concerned at the lack of updates and
>> information being disseminated about basic services such as
>> electricity, water and even camp placement in general.  While my my
>> camp and I had intended on being self-sufficient to the level of
>> Burning Man (i.e., we get toilets and that's about it), if we knew we
>> had resources such as water, showers, gray water disposal, etc. that
>> would allow us to haul less from the other side of the US that we
>> wouldn't need.
>>
>> While I know the organizers are probably busy working very hard as  
>> the
>> event approaches to make sure it goes off without a hitch, letting
>> some of your community in on what's going on might be beneficial for
>> both groups.  Yes, the event is being run by you, but the event is
>> ostensibly for us.  Hence, let us know what WE need to do to make  
>> YOUR
>> lives easier!  :)  If there is anything my camp or I can do to make
>> this event a success, please let us know.
>>
>> Unlike traditional hacker cons, which really separate the presenters/
>> organizers/logistics from the attendees and participants, I believe
>> something like this really blurs those lines.  All of us will be in
>> this thing together with almost everyone having some responsibility
>> for something whether its for Toorcamp proper, their theme camp or
>> even just for themselves.  I find the prospect fascinating but
>> understand why there are a lot of unknowns on everything from
>> logistics and infrastructure to organization and social dynamics...
>> but I digress.
>>
>> In closing, any more information would be appreciated and in the
>> meantime, just remember to breath!
>>
>> - Froggy
>>
>> P.S.  The Notacamp Caravan is leaving from Cleveland Tuesday
>> afternoon.  If you are on our path or otherwise would like to join  
>> us,
>> please let me know ASAP.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tim Huynh
>> Vice-Chairman
>> ToorCon: Information Security Conference
>>
>> ToorCamp
>> July 2-5, 2009
>> Titian Missile Silo, Odessa, WA
>>
>> ToorCon 11
>> 23-25 Oct, 2009
>> San Diego Convention Center
>>
>> ToorCon: Seattle V2.00
>> Spring 2010
>>
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>> -- 
>> Tim Huynh
>> Vice-Chairman
>> ToorCon: Information Security Conference
>>
>> ToorCamp
>> July 2-5, 2009
>> Titian Missile Silo, Odessa, WA
>>
>> ToorCon 11
>> 23-25 Oct, 2009
>> San Diego Convention Center
>>
>> ToorCon: Seattle V2.00
>> Spring 2010
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> -- 
>> Tim Huynh
>> Vice-Chairman
>> ToorCon: Information Security Conference
>>
>> ToorCamp
>> July 2-5, 2009
>> Titian Missile Silo, Odessa, WA
>>
>> ToorCon 11
>> 23-25 Oct, 2009
>> San Diego Convention Center
>>
>> ToorCon: Seattle V2.00
>> Spring 2010
>>
>>
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