Meeting Notes 2022 06 14

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These are the notes from the The XXXth Meeting of Noisebridge.

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Date: 2022-06-14

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Meeting Summary

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TLDR what happened at the meeting:

• Fundraising Update
• Announcements:
• Finances:
• New members:
• New philanthropists:
• Consensus Items:
• Discussion Items:

Introductions

- Loren - oldest of new members. fixing a scooter - Karima Rafes (sp) - engineer PhD, computer science, knowledge graph, semantic query. 6mo stay in SF. studying english during week, free on weekends. - Noah - not a member, will hope to become one, donate whatever needed, born and raised here, opera house worker and guitar maker. Don't do computer hacking, but like it. Really a woodworker over anything else. Love what you got going here, want to be part of it. *Wants to do string instrument building class* - Mark - hack on video game related things - LX - Also do video game related things; Wednesdays from 6-8 PM - Harrison - i just exist here - psyconaut - one of older members, busy getting a new job, so gone for a while, but hoping I can consistently make it back to Noisebridge! I have a few updates i want to share later. Talk to you soon! - TJ - Co-host the AI meetup with Les, hoping to do more w/ circuit hacking Mondays - Jay - yeah. music hacker, teach Ableton class / someone new is trying to teach it too - Matt / xw - been lurking around a bit, going to meetings - Elan - Love to hack on wiki stuff, hoping to get spacebridge back up this summer - June - Working on the windmill, at this point

Excellence

Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other. - pyconaut - excellence is taking care of yourself, the space, and the community.

 - /PERFECT!/

- mark - not interfering in other people's shiz, esp. if they ask you not to. - lx -in wiki under manual is an entry on Excellence. Happens in accordance with Anti-Harrassment policy. (Goes over details described in https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence)

> woz says we have one rule, but actually a whole bunch of rules. but if you follow the one big rules most other things work. doing things that help prolong the life of the space. Not doing the oppposite of that.

(What does that mean? Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.) TWO MINUTES MAX TODO wiki link[s]

Short announcements and events

Announcements. TODO longform link woz said there is a blockchain security conference downtown on 6th street and mission. alex said we are having game bridge on monday nights

LX - submitting application to Sunday streets tonight (July 10). If we get accepted, put in booth for Valencia street. Want workshop of things happening during that date!

pyconaut - volunteer signup?

LX - here -> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Sunday_Streets

loren - I'm lightly exploring grant writing / pyconaut - I will join u

pyconaut - planning to do a 3D printer repair workshop at some point in the next month or so, esp. to get giant resin printer working. First discover what's wrong with it, steps taken to repair it. Start coordinating with donor to do overview of how it works / other common issues. Once repaired, we will create training program in same way we have training for laser. want input for this on 3dprinting channel (slack/discord).

loren - Laser training happening once again. Not trainer trainer, but at least 3: gaardn, JLB, and Paolo.

loren - signups happening on Meetup. Not trained on this space, not authorized to use it. Get on Slack or Meetup

Jay - Callout on Slack/Discuss; looking for people to do small workshop in music room / area. Bring back AudioChurch, first is this Sunday. Preceded by Ableton 101 class. People came Sunday, 1 PM. Followed by Audiochurch. Meet up, pick a sample, make a beat from it. Want to get out the word. Put together small show for Noisebridge. Another show on Sunday, performance art. It's called the GReen Wheel I believe

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Wednesday - Gamebridge 6-8 PM, ML 8-10 PM Thursday - Book club 7-9 PM Friday - Board games starting 7 PM Sunday - Music + laser training

New members/philanthropists

woz explains membership for new people in the meeting, membership responsibilities. corry is applying for memebership mathew bennet is now on week 1 of application status for associate member

TODO membership wiki - [access while open, 30-day access, philanthropist, member]

Financial Report

Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo. still in the process of getting a new treasurer

Currently in flux, but Tyler @themanmaran is the current Treasurer

- $302k in cash - ~$60k in bitcoin (BTC is crashing)

TODO cash flow - mcint/loren - bug me.

LX - do we have 10x10 caravan tents General answer - Not sure

Spending Needs

Gotta spend money on XYZ (i.e. Gate, wiring etc.). WHO CAN SIGN THE CHECK OR LEND THE CREDIT CARD!?!?! It doesn't matter if we agree to do something and it can’t be paid for.

Caraban Tents

LX - might rent caraban tents loren - pyconaut actively looking LX - $200 to rent pyconaut - might have 10 of them, will ask people gaardn - You can borrow mine!

Hand Dryer

pyconaut - Liz already was working on it mark - Talk to Liz about hand dryer if you want to build it yourself.

Shelving

we need more shelving. mark - donated rolling shelf, will be using in game lounge Noah - I can donate shelving

Fundraising Update

How's it all going

LX - Planning for Sunday Streets, July 10.

Hack Comedy - how much did we make? Reach out to Victor

First A.I. for Treasurer - cash box.

Big C Consensus Items

nothing new

Consensus Items

TODO incl in template: > Consensus 101: Introduction[edit] > "We reject: kings, presidents, and voting. We believe in: rough consensus and running code." -- Dave Clark, IETF Proceedings, July 1992 nothing

Discussion

3d printer - interest check

pyconaut - large 3D printer next to the laser cutter, people want to repair it. I want to bring in the person who donated it to come show people exactly whats wrong with it and how to fix it to get the ball rolling. loren - ¡Do a break out a channel for the project! #big-3dprinter (psychonaut - old comm in private channel) Blue - can update on 3D printer, ask me afterwards

1. big-3d-printer

elan fixing door

People coming in next Monday, if not next Friday

shelving

LX - model of rolling tables? Looking to get more that match loren - don't know, check after meeting

best way to poll about discussion items - TJ

- Polling 1-2 weeks in advance, some switch of weeks / setting agenda for next week - mark - is there a feeling amongst people that discussion items are not being gotten to? or is there some other reason for this proposal? TJ - I think itd be nice to know things in advance as it would be more efficient and incentivize more communication and discussion amongst the community

A.I. Discuss how to bring polling to the meeting (working group meeting) TODO webcam of outside door.

Do-ocratic Task Board

Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Propose new tasks or pick some tasks from Github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing! - check model of rolling tables - LX wants to buy more. - june and alex are interested in creating a noise wall for the woodshop - Guild-specific requests on the donations page - Elan has the code, been asking SuperQ to push it - still waiting on that - will ping again - https://github.com/noisebridge/python-nb-donate/pull/48 - Light-up signage - LX is working on it, Loren volunteers to assist in getting acrylic sheets for lighting up the posters on the bar wall - Getting a telebridge setup for upstairs - TJ has a mic and camera, working on getting a computer set up. Loren volunteers a NUC they have. -Working on the woodshop, electrical work

-Things that have been done - new bench vice in shop care of Blue - DON'T PAINT IT! Band saw is now fixed. Credit to gustavo. Use with caution, examine bearings to ensure they are properly tuned. Loren requests signs be made for those notes and put on the things so ppl know!

Mark would request we work on guild interoperability regarding task boards. Suggests federated system. TJ - we can currently sort tasks by label. Loren - perhaps individual guilds can have their own boards Something to discuss more if we want.

space drama (r.e. particular individuals being asked to take a break)

Anon - What are requested Action Items (A.I.)?

Anon - We want either 1) acknowledged as welcome to space, 2) set specific timeline to come back on

Anon - Should we be specific?

Anon - Should notes be taken for specific person? *Yes*

Anon - We've had legal issues in the space, because website is publicly accessible. We've have people do legal action to take name off of the website

Anon - We'll not refer to specific names

Anon - Who is this relvant to?

Anon - 2 specific individuals involved in this case tonight.

Anon - No single letter names

Anon - A was asked to leave the space, unclear as to when the conditions to come back are. Asked to leave again after coming back at some point into the future.

Anon - Ask to leaves are intentionally vague

Anon - This individual is known as Blue. Whole lot of stuff. MC was freaking a lot of poeple out, including Blue. Asked to leave 3x in a row. Continued to stay outside the space, on the patio, multiple nights, trying to get inside. Didn't seem to be listening to or comprehending what was going on. People tried to tell them. It concerned Blue a lot, randomly came inside during the meting. Furthermore, MC has concerned people enough for a response team. This continued until MC was asked to leave, being manic. Seem to be entirely different person now. Considering level of concern, disconnect, what the heck happened? Understanding being not great.

Questions:

   1. What guarantee is it that MC won't deny ATL again?
   2. What happened here?

MC - Everything is valid. First and foremost though, I'd preface with: If someone reacts to what they perceive is rational, they will behave irrational. When I was asked to leave, it was to ask at a reasonable time. How would I make sure the rejoining process is determinate? Ask to leave, not told when to come back.

Blue - Told to come back the next day. You were asked to leave multiple times in a row bc of repeated separate actions. Another person and I asked you to leave. Woz and I asked you to leave another time. Another time you freaked me out. You didn't leave, you stayed in the patio, contradiction

Loren - During the meeting, successfully refrained from the meeting, expressing frustration, it was still making others uncomfortable.

MC - Why did they initially ask me to leave the first time?

Blue - The behavior was ranting loudly in middle of space, frequently would run over and interject in the discussion. Seemed paranoid and manic, jumping in and interjecting. Responded very energetically. Trying to work. Clear it was a disturbance, making someone new to the space uncomfortable. This happened numerous time

Anon - Gone from space for a few months, do remember was here during one of altercations a while back. I think relay was there or Woz/another person. During event, cleaning up with door open, and there was altercation MC was preparing to leave space, started to get erratic, and yelling/acting a bit manic. A few of us asked them to leave. Did forget something and came back. Tried to come back and take shower upstairs. Different instance. But remember the interaction

Anon - Let's focus on suggestions? moving forward?

Anon - Why was ATL appropriate? in the interest of meeting time

MC - What is the core of what I'm being asked to discuss? Wanted to give understanding of what may have been happening. Josiah + you were discussing something, that I seem to be unwell. Josiah looked like Defcon goon named Badger. If you were discussing me, I wanted to be a part of that discussion. When I was gaslit away from my perspective (being asked to leave), I was upset. That is a good time to ask someone to leave. Under the bridge, not under the rest of my life. My perception

Anon - Lots of your grievances seem to center around this person Badger. If there was an issue. It would be good to discuss these issues with the group, instead of taking individual action. What did you believe you mentions - question of worth or value - what did you believe you heard or they said about you

MC - I believe Josiah was trying to gaslight me.

Blue - Zeroed in on first thing, but had no relation to repeated events. It seems like shying away from the main question. Just the beginning of it. Second: We weren't talking about you. At all. Nothing going on. Seemed like you are forgiving at us. You jumped at nothing, at perception of being gaslit. Not talking about you, no reason to talk it.

Anon - We shouldn't speak of initial incident. Seems like MC seems to be doing better, like to hurt it

Anon - That doesn't mean we're dropping the incident. What is the behavior going forward?

Blue - I still have same request - What happened? Less important. First question: Why won't this happen again?

MC - Fairness is how the justice is meted out on the fly. Factors out of your consideration. SSG, people chasing me since the Temple. (stuff related to the Satanic Temple). We all have different ways of dealing with things.

Anon - who do we reach out to?

MC - Would you like to contact Lucien, head of Satanic Temple?

Anon - I don't think I'm around space enough.

Anon - Anyone at *Noisebridge* enough

MC - Claus and JLB are good guys. Understand dangers met by them

Blue - Nothing changed. Claus tried to talk to you multiple times. That didn't change anything. If anything, that makes it worse.

MC - I live a dangerous life. What can I do to meet that standard.

Anon - We've explored this for a long time. I want to make sure things move along

Gaardn - We come to NB bc we want to hack. We are not a support system. We want to come do the projects we want to do. These people here are doing you a huge favor right now. They will not keep doing this again and again.

MC: The question is worthy of a longer consideration.

Gaardn: If that is the case, take some time away from Noisebridge and work on yourself and your stuff.

TJ: From what I understand, a lot of the actions are based on the idea that someone slighted you MC. One good step might be to suggest/admit that some of your actions lately have been wrong.

MC: I agree. Some times I have been out of line. I have made some poor decisions at times.

Elan: Is there an emergency contact perhaps? It may be hard to give assurances about what might happen in the future, but is there someone we can contact should there be any incidents in the future?

MC: Probably a housemate. I will pass along their contact info to ppl off the record.

Loren: https://www.cnvc.org/learn-nvc/the-nvc-model empathetically listening: observations, feelings, needs, requests Do you have needs/requests of the space, MC?

MC: In the interest of justice, we all need to be getting on the same page. I need everyone's info to line up. My request for any punishment is simply that there be a uniform understanding of when the "punishment" is completed.

Blue : But what specifically do you mean?

Why did you not respect the punishment previously asked of you.

MC: I went insane.

gaardn: NB is not the place to go insane. It sounds insensitive, but we are not a mental health services. Do not go here to lose your shit.

Loren - I think many people in the discussion feel we have not made much in the way of progress. (Mark disagrees) Sounds like you may be working on steps through another community to create a more supportive environment. For the time being I would probably request you have someone you trust to come with you to the space and be with you at all times here, making sure everything is good.

TJ - we have tried the chaperone thing before, and it doesn't always work. I would rather stay on the safe side. You are not agreeing that a lot has changed in your life, so therefore I think it is reasonable to ask that you take some time until you believe that it has.

MC: Of course my mental health is a big constantly undergoing project and I don't want to always bring it to the space. Of course people have issues. Part of me finding my stability will be me coming back to work. I need to be here twice a day at most.

Anon: someone needs to let you in for charging batteries. Iterate to broader community that you don't need to allow anyone into the space. If you are not interested in helping personally, you don't need to. If you see them at door, you can ignore them. Can help them if you can. If no one has problem in the space, such that they are in same building. Fully understand the nature, disengagement or more being not at the space at the same time. Would you be comfortable with someone letting MC in the space

Blue: I think that's optimistic. The door's open, people will enter. I like the action items, those are reasonable.

Loren: I might also request that you clarify you need to replace / charge, in ways that don't involve coming here.

MC: I'm always on the run. Even finding a toilet is hard. I help them hack on this time, clipper 0. Try to contribute in any way.

Loren: I think people hope for you using the space without affecting others. We are asking for your help in sustaining the norm.

MC: There are individuals with concerns, and broader concerns.

Anon: Long time action item. There are people who want to charge bikes, cars, etc. We takled about leaving a plug on the outside of space that was accessible via ex. access token. Might be helpful item. Proposed a long time ago. Help people charge their device without coming into the space. Public library, etc. which can do these things.

Anon: Also issue of social engineering. Work on more of a solution. Need to have solution so MC doesn't have to depend on Noisebridge.

Anon: See you rely on NB at least twice a day to sustain life. Again, come to Noisebridge to hack. No reliance on living. That will very quickly result in depending on Noisebridge. What actions are you taking to not be at Noisebridge?

MC: I hack to live. No better explanation. Hacking the company I work for. Please understand I hack to live.

Anon: Have rules against sleeping in the space. People have sense of entitlement and ownership, excluding others'. Not sleeping in the space, but seem to be relying on it. If you came to the space and did that, no issues. But this seems unlikely. Pop in headphones, come in with plan and focus on it. It is hard to balance your extreme need of the space with everyone else's hope for use of the space.

MC: don't consider my use of space extreme need. Just not a lot in existence. Only one bar. No fridge with drink I feel ok grabbing. I live in Oakland, not SF (I wish I lived in sF)

pyconaut: Have you talked to Sudo Room?

MC: Money is tighter there, like taking a paycheck

pyconaut: Other forms of transportation to make money?

pyconaut: That's how you were making money

MC: I have enough moneys to swap and drop all day. What makes NB important is that you have tools to get bike running. Not riding the bike in the future. Extended timeout is needed, so be it.

TJ/Blue/pyconaut agree on taking break from the space

Psychonaut - I think if you look around you will find places that can help you with your battery swaps.

MC: You have no idea how hard it is to find such things. Even the spaces I tried to use things were so impossible I had to leave them and get my money back.

MC: Talked about broad, move to specifics

Blue: That's not what we're talking about right now. We are talking about what we need you to do right now.

Psychonaut - I suggest 30 days absence, and then we check in with your contact and see what is going on with you and what kind of progress you've made.

MC: please make sure you call me right when you call that number as well so I know you talked to them.

Psychonaut - one thing i want to mention is we've had ppl go through a lot of stress in their lives, acted out, then took a break, and then when we checked in with them, we were able to see the difference pretty clearly with a long enough conversation. It can be challenging but not impossible to figure out if someone is in a better place than they were before. I want this to end as amicably and usefully as possible for everyone involved and the community.

mark - Things can be hard. If it's hard that means we're doing the work. If it was easy, we wouldn't be getting to real truths. Just remember that. Not involved, don't need to be involved. Don't think that the discussion has gone sour. Don't misunderstand as failure

MC - This is a pathway to Excellence

mark - Sounds like you should stay away for 30 days.

MC - Sounds good. Can we agree that this is a complicated problem wiht complicated solution?

mark - Ask someone to get batteries to come to the space

mark - I think regards testing something to another individual. Put that as highest priority over other things you think is unexcellent. Try and remember that in the future.

Mark - Resolved for now. MC shall stay away for 30 days at which point we will check in to see how they're doing. Discussions will continue asynchronously as time permits.

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• Do a 10 minute cleanup, bring dishes up stairs and wash them, clean the bathroom
• Have some beers on the patio
• Prepare the next weeks' meeting notes
• Lick the walls. Or just draw on them
• sing the Hackernationale (this almost never happens)