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These are the notes from the The 758th Meeting of Noisebridge.

Date: 2024_02_27

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Note-takers: Quinn

Moderators: Mark

Queue Mgmt: Shahzoda

  • One or two bullet points of high-level meeting summary.

Meeting Summary[edit]


  • Fundraising Update:
  • Announcements:
  • Finances:
  • New members:
  • New associates:
  • Consensus Items:
  • Discussion Items:


  • Ask people to share their name, access needs, and preferred gender pronouns what they do at noisebridge
  • Mark - organizational stuff and video games
  • Quinn - Karls Angels
  • Michael - software
  • Charlene - here for a year
  • Weezy - Creator of Fall Ball
  • Jillian - Hacking spirituality, info by the music room door
  • Moon music and programming
  • Olga - moderators of the writers workshop
  • Travis - tmoney, teaches the Python Class
  • Gwen - project manager
  • Benji - often in the music room
  • David - game programmer
  • Zoda - software engineer, laser cutter, and into hacking Noisebridge
  • Ken - just became a big M member
  • Lauren - mosty worked here on Machine Learning stuff
  • Elan - wiki and paint projects
  • Paulo - woodwork, electronics..
  • Javier - always came in with questions
  • Brennan - comes in to hang with Ken
  • Ellen - comes in to hang with Ken, in the sewing room, hacking Noisebridge
  • John - hangs out with Ken more than anyone, Noisebridge navigator, robotics meetup
  • JD - knows how to use the tools
  • Loren - online, I run a infrastructure discussion meetup, and try to find time for some embroidery and laser cutting projects. ask me about finance --, or #finance-wg.

Short announcements and events[edit]

sewing meetup for textiles and fabrics sat 2pm leap day party 2/29, movie screening fashion show with fromsa 3/9 python class, starts monday 7pm, electronics room olga writers group want to do a fundraiser for noisebridge, writers workshop group 4/19, friday night, trying to raise $1000 like last time! mark ice music sound bath, hosted by xxhe, thurs 6-8pm


Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other. (On first Tuesdays, seek a few definitions. Other Tuesday, give a 1-3 sentence summary.)

elan - anarchism is when we strive to reduce the amount of hierarchy, excellence is familiarizing yourself with community standards john - what would bill and ted think? ken - in our community, we try to base things in good faith ben - 3 definitions on the wall -- do-acracy, consensus, meetings zoda - everyone should feel like a friend, being respectful and kind, take responsibility jd - be excellent to each other fromsa - don't kick people out and clean up after yourself

jill - people's statements should be objective data points fromsa - should not have to read the rules online ellen - anarchy is respect for the individual david - excellence is a person by person basis mark - ongoing discussion about excellence

What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence!

Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence[edit]

Noisebridge has an Anti-Harassment Policy Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.) TWO MINUTES MAX More approachable & specific guidelines, is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.

Brief Kudos[edit]

Recent examples of excellent behavior, say 3, unless the passion moves you.

fromsa - stone for painting and cleaning a lot ben - john, colton, jillian, shaw for painting Paolo - whoever reorganized the Lazer stuff on the hack shelves Elan - floshin / toshin Stone - kudos to Ivan from City College


  • What are guilds - briefly describe (much like the previous section on "Excellence")

games guild is recruiting for the arcade box CNC wants a new machines to host better classes! Woodworking guild - kinda of disappeared...where'd ya go? sewing guild is rebuilding itself

New Members/Associate Members[edit]

What are they? Is anyone trying to become a Member or Associate Member? If not move on. No long discussions.

Ellen - applying for Associate Membership b/c she got locked out twice, not so great, it would be nice to be a member to have a key but also Noisebridge is a great movement, stewardship of the space is important, (Mark: what do you do if you run into someone that is unpleasant) I would go somewhere safe, get on the phone with friends.. and call the police if necessary, will ask people to leave if necessary

Financial Report (first Tuesday of month only)[edit]

Anarchist societies under a capitalist state need money to survive and thrive, yo.

  • Monthly revenue, expenses. Big projects. Big fundraising events. Reserves in bank.
  • Any other details by those participating in handling our financials
  • The latest financial reports from the treasurer are available at

Bitcoin discussion, how to access the Coinbase account (Ben/Loren), where is the bitcoin belonging to Noisebridge? At the time of the large contribution, coinbase did not support organizational accounts. Requires organizational account setup, Loren is working on it. In order to avoid tax on the funds, we David - Loren is overseeing process? Yes.

Join #coinbase-organization-setup

Fundraising Update[edit]

How's it all going

Big C Consensus Items[edit]

Nobody likes 3 hour meetings, only explain if new people are present.

Consensus Items [edit]

Only for talking about Big C consensus items, small c consensus items should be discussed with people at the space at the time of the change/new item.

Item 1[edit]

Renewing "2 Members to block" consensus item

(discussion item) 2: Board elections[edit]

From/Raised by: mark On topic: ByLaws lay out a 30 day process

History of bylaws chnages (on wiki), unsure what was registered with state:

Discussion Items[edit]

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(discussion item) 1: [spending $ on signage][edit]

From/Raised by: Elan Seeking: decision On topic: Approval to buy durable signage to display Community Standard and Anti-Harassment Policy around space. Additionally:

- no smoking
- no food/drinks

Ben - we have a really awesome anti-harassment poster. I think it was lie those big black and red ones in the hackitorium

Ken - we need more definition of other pitfalls of behavior in a communal environment, like subversion and subterfuge for example

Elan - just a quick kudos to ken - appreciated a draft of something he wrote up

Zoda - there should be more signage so that less people have to confront people so much, so that things like norms and rules are more obvious

Jonathan - when was the last time the wiki was updated?

Paolo - A PSA that there is a paper printer in the printing room, but if anyone would like more long-lasting signs, I will volunteer to help make them with laser cutter or 3d printing, for example

(discussion item) 2: Python Class[edit]

From/Raised by: advice Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] On topic: how to have a permanent screen for python class

thinking about getting a tv with a stand for the room, donate a tv.. etc.

(discussion item) 3: Xxhe's event[edit]

From/Raised by: Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] On topic:

Sun bath on Monday, info in discord,

catacombs is a larger curated event, artists.. etc. Want to have at a later date Want to use the whole space

Ellen - concerns about letting them use sewing room, and questions about permits

Xxhe - we want to move minimal stuff in the space, use the space as is without much reconfiguring.

Ellen - doing stuff under the table potentially puts us in a bad situation if the city discovers it. It potentially is a liability for us.

Elan - who is your Member sponsor? because its a 24 hour activity, i'd be comfortable if we had multiple Member sponsors from the group. Is that reasonable.

JD - Some of the concerns I have deal with: Possibly high admission fees (NB generally frowns upon people directly using the venue for profit) Admission control, how do we prevent things from getting out of hand with 100 people. Additionally, taking over the entire building until 2am seems like something requiring consensus at a meeting. We try to allow members some place during an event for them to hack. With alcohol, we should probably also have many more trash bins throughout the space

Benji - possible we are overthinking it. We've had events with large crowds before. Usually not a teribly shocking thing. I do think the fire safety is great and all that. How much paperwork do we need to do for this? My opinion is that we should have rules, but not burdensome ones.

Zoda - I think there are a lot of questions and a lot of concerns. Part of being excellent is making sure as much as possible community members feel really good about it, when it comes to large events. We want to help you not step on any toes. People can be sensitive about things they've set up here.

Xxhe - we structure it with tiered tickets - 25$, $50, $100, something like that. We divide money between the artists and organizers usually. And keep a percent for the venue and a percent for next event.

Ken - What percent goes to the space?

Xxhe - 10%

r.e. capacity concerns and people's usage of the space we have a strict capacity for the event, can set aside space for regular noisebridgers, some strict amount?

(discussion item) 4: 3D Printer Room[edit]

From/Raised by: David? Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] On topic:


(discussion item) 5: Methods for Improving Security of the Space[edit]

From/Raised by: Seeking: decision/outcome/advice/[?] On topic:

   I think we are missing out on good noisebridgers because of issues like, for instance, feeling unheard when reaching out for help. We have a problem, first step is to admit it and then work on a solution.

I propose:

1) A policy of responsibility for the people you let into the door. If someone does some damage, the person who let them in should be held responsible as well.

2) Technological solutions for access control. Tracking who comes in and out of the space to some degree.

Mark - we've talked about this a couple weeks ago. Got heated. Strong reactions to point #2 specifically. I advise having one-off conversations, build consensus, try to find compromises, then maybe try to bring back to meeting.

Zoda - I echo mark's statement. Tuesday meeting is difficult forum for discussion of this stuff.

Brennan - about point #1, you are already supposed to be responsible. There should be consequences if you are hosting an event and something happens on your watch.

Brandon - my only concern is, how would you enforce it? We have a lot of "friends of friends of friends etc" being let in, and whatnot.

Paolo - If you ask person who let them in, they would be inclined to answer honestly I would think,

(others chime in, thinking theyd be incentivized to lie)

John - I agree in sentiment. Definitely agree itd be nice to have more discussion about this topic generally speaking. I assume it would be a very long discussion. Touches on recent hot-button meeting discussions. Don't have too much right now, just be very clear with language/proposal if you do so. Try to reduce potential gray area language about how theyll be responsible, what is and isn't excellent, etc.

Paolo - I figured bringing both together would make each one easier to enforce? Maybe it complicates it? On the "culture" point. I recognize that as a common thought amongst the community. The reason i identify that is because it seems to me the culture IS the problem. Anonymity and Pseudonymity only work in a community that fully trusts eachother. A lot of ppl in the space frequently do not know eachother right now. It can be great, but it comes with risks that the culture may be ignoring.

John - generally speaking with many community issues, ppl will be nidged with incentives. Ideally we already have the tone thats appropriate to have these things happen more organically. Hard to think about how to set up incentives and exactly what you want to change. It's a complicated issue.

Paolo - I believe the physical sign of security creates the environment.

Brennan - it is already the policy to ask disruptive ppl to leave.

(some talk about solutions involving rfid locks on rooms in the space)

Zoda - in general I don't love surveillance and I think most NBer's don't also. Its hard to do the work of physically being present to make the space safe and secure.

(discussion item) 5: Meetings... After Dark (jazz music)[edit]

From/Raised by: Elan Seeking: advice/[?] On topic:

   * Mediation transparancy: There was a non-safety related incident involving two indivduals that numerous Noisebridgers feel is 86-worthy. There are ongoing mediation efforts to find an offramp from that approach. As the deadline for the initial resolution has passed I have asked the individual to ATL pending a requested followup discussion. 
   * "Mark lies. Mark is a liar and I have evidence to show it. That is all." - pdb

Do-ocratic Task Board[edit]

Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Propose new tasks or pick some tasks from Github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing!

End of Meeting[edit]

Note taker posts the notes[edit]

  • Clean and tidy the meeting notes including removing all these really verbose instructions.
  • Fill out the short summary at the top listing just announcements, consensus items, discussion topics, and names of new members and philanthropists.
  • Copy paste the notes to the next meeting page. (They will become Last meeting at midnight.)
  • Email the meeting summary to Noisebridge Discuss and Noisebridge Announce lists.
  • CC on the email and if there are new members and philanthropists.
  • Edit the Current Consensus Items if anything is proposed for consensus next week.
  • Edit the Consensus Items History if anything was reached consensus or failed to reach consensus this week.

Fun things to do after[edit]

  • Do a 10 minute cleanup, bring dishes up stairs and wash them, clean the bathroom
  • Have some beers on the patio
  • Prepare the next weeks' meeting notes
  • Lick the walls. Or just draw on them
  • sing the Hackernationale (this almost never happens)