Meeting Notes 2024 09 17

These are the notes from the The 779th Meeting of Noisebridge.

Date	2024 09 17
Note-takers	Max, Shihao
Moderators	Loren

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Meeting Summary

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• Announcements:
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Experimental AI Summary of discussion items using NotebookLM: Here is a discussion of the Discussion Items from Noisebridge's 779th meeting:

• Discussion Item 1: Elle proposed having a separate meeting time for new member introductions and the joining process1.
• Discussion Item 2: Max sought advice on running a cybersecurity meetup in October, potentially partnering with Pacific Hackers12.
• Max suggested potential dates (October 3, 5, 12, or the last Saturday), preferring Saturdays and aiming for a 2-5 PM time frame2.
• The meetup format could be a talk or workshop, typically drawing 20-30 attendees at Hacker Dojo23.
• Elle raised concerns about potential legal issues, to which Max assured that activities would be legal and ethical ("white hat")3.
• Action items included following up on the matter and checking for event conflicts34.
• Discussion Item 3: CC inquired about the use of carbon fiber in the laser cutter, expressing concern about potential contamination45.
• Elle stated that carbon fiber is not allowed in the laser cutter due to safety concerns5.
• Loren suggested checking with other spaces that might have laser cutters and advised against cutting epoxy-coated carbon fiber6.
• Action items included documenting details about carbon fiber cutting on Discord6.
• Discussion Item 4: Mark initiated a discussion on space layout, proposing the use of design documents and exploring ideas for improvement7.
• Loren suggested using tools like Apple Indoor Maps for visualization and GitHub for version control7.
• Elle highlighted the benefit of such a system for inventory management7.
• Various ideas were exchanged, including RFID-based tracking, gamification, and using platforms like OnShape78.
• Shihao proposed a three-part system for organizing items, totes, and locations8.
• Mark emphasized the importance of buy-in to avoid wasted effort9.
• The discussion also touched upon improving trash and recycling practices and addressing misuse of the woodshop910

summary #2 from o1:

• Announcements:

 * Sewing classes: Sewing 101 on Friday, Embroidery on 9/27, Industrial Knitting.   
 * Laser Safety Trainings Sundays at 2 pm.
 * Art Show on Sept 28/29 (volunteers and artists needed, contact Zach).
 * Seeking social media volunteers (contact Loren).
 * PI Arduino access control projects (contact Loren).
 * Personal Website building day in October.
 * Lit Crawl event on Oct 26.
 * MaGWest Music & Gaming Sept 27/28 in San Jose.
 * Maker Faire Oct 18-20 (volunteers needed).
 * Building a wall to isolate woodshop sound.

• Discussions:

 * Proposal for separate new member intro meetings (Elle).
 * Hosting a cybersecurity meetup in October (Max).
 * Carbon fiber not allowed in laser cutter (CC).
 * Updating space layout and inventory (Mark).

Introductions

• Ask people to share their name, access needs, and preferred gender pronouns what they do at noisebridge

• What is yer name? What is yer quest? What is yer favorite color?

• Loren -- Talk to me about treasuring things and infrastructure things. Excited about RFID on more doors. - Favorite color is web discord purple
• Max -- Quest is to run a cybersecurity group -- violet
• Zach -- Helping to organize the sept art show, hope lots of fun happens and we can do it again. Favorite color is red.
• Ash -- Interested in robots, and building robots that help people do things better. -- Purple
• Nat -- quest right now, figure out what this place is about, I just showed up -- maybe blue
• Izzo - Mend all the clothes they've destroyed over the years -- purple
• Farley -- don't worry about me
• Mark -- Quest is to make awesome games, likes bright neon Green
• WE-Z -- have fun, turquoise, teal, cyan
• Rai -- Looking to become a member, would like to CNC and Machine
• Shihao -- coming here to work on my drone project, build a skateboard rack, learn how to weld. On the side, make the world a better place as an engineer and write about it. Membership. Blue
• Cloud -- http://5mof.net, come present, come watch, this thursday, the 3rd thursday of the month. blue
• Jayleen Li -- Display some stuff that zach is organizing, -- Blue
• CC -- Came to Laser Training, hoping to learn something every day. Cut components for DIY air filters, and medical goals. -- Orangy Yellow of the California Poppy
• Elle -- Quest is to learn arduino. -- Orange, all shades
• Ken -- Black

Short announcements and events

• 60-second description per item in bulletpoint.
• Copy-paste any pre-announcements for the upcoming meeting from Announcements.
• After announcements, copy them to the past Announcements list. Retire any from the Next Meeting list that aren't marked ONGOING.
• (See https://www.noisebridge.net/ and https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Category:Events for events, and welcoming people)

• Sewing classes (Ellen) -- going to shoehorn in another Sewing 101 into this week, Friday. Announcing tonight, Meetup & ...
• Embroidery class -- Friday 9/27 -- Elle & Sheck (sp)
• Industrial Knitting class (Capped at around 6/7)
• Julie repair class --
  • Meetup was no longer collecting money.

Laser Safety Trainings run on Sunday afternoon 2pm. Look on meetup.

Art Show -- Sept 28/29 -- 11 AM to 5 PM - Callout to volunteers to help man the gates - Reach out to Zach on discord - There are still some spots left on tables and walls, so reach out! - Find a paper in noisebridge numbered 1-20, and contact on discord. Q: Do people have to be here to display their art? A: No, as long as you're okay left out. The art show does not include security.

Disccusion Q: We should not have art blocking the stairs? - We should make sure it is cleared.

If people are wishing to sell your art, you should probably be here.

• Loren: Seeking people who are interested in pubbing NB more on Instagam/FB!

   Reach out!
   

• Loren: PI Arduino projects open for access control systems! To extend the good one we have now. Reach out!

• Loren: Personal Website building day! Details forthcoming on some Weds in October

• The lit(erature) crawl. Oct 26th Sat (5pm to 10pm), Big event in the hackatorium.
• Art installation, community-built, and/also/with AI poetry dev group
• Sept 27th and 28th. MaGWest Music & Gaming. Come down to San Jose after

- Bands, DJ, NerdCore, Gaming Music, and games to be played! No nb page, 10% discount "noisebridge"

MakerFaire 18 - 20th of October

• If you're interested in helping our or contributing, please reach out in the Maker Faire discord channel!

• We're building a wall! -- To isolate the sound from the woodshop

• Julius says there might be a partial solar eclipse!!

Brief Kudos

Recent examples of excellent behavior, say 3, unless the passion moves you.

• Mark - kudos to people who showed up to Coffee & Donuts cleaning on friday. New music room steward, Maxime.
• Zach -- kudos to get, getting the wood, getting the wall going
• Rai -- kudos to loren, getting the laminator
• Loren -- kudos to Rai for Printing out all the trash and recycling on all the containers
• Zach -- kudos to Ron for fixing the circular sander, it works really well now!

These are a good definition of excellence. Excellence is allowing others the freedom to do as they desire in the space.

Excellence

Our One Rule is to Be Excellent to Each Other. (Give a quick, 1-3 sentence summary.)

What does that mean? Please see our page on excellence https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Excellence!

Anti-Harassment Policy & Community Standards of Excellence

Noisebridge has an Anti-Harassment Policy https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Anti-Harassment_Policy Everyone is expected to follow the Anti-Harassment Policy, please familiarize yourself with it.) More approachable & specific guidelines, https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Community_Standards https://safespace.noisebridge.net/ is one way to quickly raise issues which will be seen by people in Slack.

Reminder to use the above if you see the space being used not appropriately.

Big C Consensus Items

Nobody likes 3 hour meetings, only explain if new people are present. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Current_Consensus_Items

Consensus Items

Only for talking about Big C consensus items, small c consensus items should be discussed with people at the space at the time of the change/new item or can be reserved for the discussion section of the meeting.

Discussion Items

Discussion Item 1

From/Raised by: Elle Seeking: at next meeting, proposal, discussion On topic: Having a separate meeting time just for new member intro/joining

Discussion Item 2

From/Raised by: Max Seeking decision/advice On topic: running a cyber security meetup in October

Pacific Hackers - Runs events for Cybersecurity - Monthly meetup in the SV hacker dojo - Looking for places to speakers, tutorial events

We hosted stuff on how to hack a router, in person and people would learn to crack the password Had another event on how to stay anonymous online.

"I think this would be the perfect place to host it" Max is happy to do all the organzing, just wants advice from NB folks.

think... Oct 3, 5, 12 or the last sat of Oct. Prefers saturdays.

Max wants to make sure there is on clashing on space utilization. Max is interested in recurring meetings, but it doesn't need to be here in this space every month. The vibe is to be a "talk" or a "workshop. usually do 2 to 5 oclock. A few hrs.

Q: how many attendees? A: Usually 20 to 30 at hacker dojo

Julius, that seems like on the upper range of what we usually host fyi Elle, Q: is there any concern from the activities from the authorities? A: Don't worry, everything we do will be white hat (meaning allowed by authorities, and only hacking test equipement). Speakers will be screened. Our group has no history of issues with safety or the law. Happy to discuss if further questions! We won't be messing with NB wifi.

Action: A member of NB will follow up on this matter.

Max Q: Wants to check with the main list of events to make sure there's no conflict.

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Loren would love to help hosting, and making sure the space is used properly. Elle suggests to meet with another member who has done the process of hosting a meeting before.

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Action: we should clarify that only big M Members can sponsor new members

Discussion Item 3

From/Raised by: CC Seeking: answer, advice On topic: question of whether carbon fiber is an allowed material in the NB laser, if carbon fiber has ever been cut at NB w/ the laser

Elle: came up earlier. Was told at that time that carbon fiber is not allowed in the CC. There are arguments against it, in the laser, since we could have better insulation.

Q: Carbon fiber, which variety? Fabric? Pre-preg? pre-preg might be A: All of these are f

CC Q: Has anyone ever used it before? Asking to understand if there is any risk at all? Not personally interested in cutting CF herself, but rather that she is concerned if there might be residue in there that might contaminate what she is working on.

Elle: JD or Paolo might have more info, check the #safety channel or #laser

Loren: There might be other spaces that might also have a laser cutter available btw Elle: might also be able to contact double union there might be other processes to remove the CF residue btw Loren/Julius: We should document the details of the CF cutting on discord

Loren: No epoxy CF. It's poisionous and sticky. Just laser things.

Loren: Thanks for bringing this up!

Discussion Item 4

From/Raised by: Mark Seeking: advice, temperature check, possibly decision On topic: space layout

Background: There is a design doc, it's got rectangles and layouts. Loren: Has played with Apple indoor maps. So that we can setup something that we can have something similar to airports Max: How do we want to have things updated? Things were not alawyas up to date in the past, and in sync with reality. Loren: Github/Datafocused revision control? Elle: I think it would be useful for inventory and machines, would help keep stock of things. Loren: How does RFID based vs pass the code based? -> take this offline Loren: is there a way for this to be small and gamified? Mark: Rhino is easy... Elle: Someone has taken a 3D photo of all of NB, and Julius has a token Mark: Very interested in gamifying things! Let me know how Cloud: Nav2, Facebook has worked on something similar. Julius: Have you considered using onshape? It doesn't require people to install anything... Mark: Citeria, anyone can hop in and use it...

Shihao: One suggestion: 3 Part System:

   Items,Totes,Loctaions
   Items MUST always go back to their tote, but totes can move locations if someone ones, but ideally not frequently changing locations. Don't attempt to document where items go, but instead document where the totes go. And always return items to totes.

Mark: Is interested in also making sure that he has buy-in so that time and effort is not wasted. Julius: please have more compost bins. Right now it is too much work. Loren: For sure, Please keep them small/moderately... It will rot, attract mice.

Mark: Come to cleanup and organization Friday! Always clean up your own work too, otherwise you may hurt yourself and others.

Some parties have been misusing the woodshop, and are working on mediating.

Loren: We want more consistency with trash cans. These stations can have a broom, dustpan, swiffer, etc.

Do-ocratic Task Board

Participation also means doing stuff to contribute to the space. Propose new tasks or pick some tasks from Github, from what needs to be done around you, or whatever, and see if someone will sign up to work on that task. Anyone can sign up and it's a great way to show you are contributing!

• Elle: Suggestion on fun things?
• Mark: Can someone make an excellent TLDR to post in discord?

• Loren: 3D printed handles add!
• Shihao: Take Photos and Finish the Welding Documentation
• AZ: Clean more stuff up
• Elle: Post some classes and fundraisers, and do some more planning

• Loren - We have food! Wants to update the price list
• Mark: Editing a Wiki Page or two, look into some printer situations
• Farley: ---
• Izzo: Learn where the cleaning supplies are located
• Nat: do lots of work in illustrator & rhino, gonna research a shared vectored platform

• Zach: updat elocks with loren, 3d printer. New artists for show
• Max: Putting away macbooks that he was trying to install

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Fun things to do after

• Do a 10 minute cleanup, bring dishes up stairs and wash them, clean the bathroom
• Have some beers on the patio
• Prepare the next weeks' meeting notes
• Lick the walls. Or just draw on them
• sing the Hackernationale (this almost never happens)